Potential Cave / Cavern Trip to Mexico

Mark Chase · 11th June 2005, 19:18

PERSONALY

Caves scare me but they scare me a hell of a lot less when I am on a CCR.
Cave =CCR dive for me where as Open water 30m+ =CCR dive >30m = twin 7ltr. As soon as I get more than a couple of mins inside anything I want the option of hours to get the hell back out

That said I am a coward and I am not joking I really am.

HOWEVER

I don’t see the need for us to restrict this trip to CCR divers. Ignoring my flippant posting I would be disappointed if Zak and Duncan felt obliged to drop out as they wished to do it OC. They both have a massive amount to offer use in terms of experience with CCR and experience with caves.

Let’s not get anal about the CCR bit. CCR is a tool for some and a toy for others. I don’t give a toss personally from which camp you come. So if they want to go OC, fine let them do what they want to do. We are not f#cking DIR with a YOU MUST DO THIS attitude are we?. They are divers who use rebreathers. That is surely enough. If not then consider that in the case of Zak and Duncan they are serious divers with many years of experience who are pushing the CCR's they use well beyond the usage of general Saturday divers like me.

I for one want them on the trip and I don’t care if they stick a tube up each others ass and breathe methane through a snorkel to get the job done

ATB

Mark Chase

Andy M · 11th June 2005, 19:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

PERSONALY

Caves scare me but they scare me a hell of a lot less when I am on a CCR.
Cave =CCR dive for me where as Open water 30m+ =CCR dive >30m = twin 7ltr. As soon as I get more than a couple of mins inside anything I want the option of hours to get the hell back out

PERSONALLY (note extra L)

If I ever got into Cave (maybe one day), I think I would prefer to learn the line and navigation trade on OC first rather than CCR. Less task loading with OC - just stick the thing in your gob and all is fine, you can think carefully about what you are learning, rather than concentrating on the CCR too.

dive2dive2000 · 11th June 2005, 19:39

Wow, lets make

instead of

Martin
FYI a good percentage of the caves are shallow and have a very variable depth profile, so a ccr can be an issue do to a continous up and down dive profile. Not to say that there aren't some real hairy and deep caves in Mexico. I for one am not experenced enough on oc or ccr for those types of dives so count me out.

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

PERSONALY

Caves scare me but they scare me a hell of a lot less when I am on a CCR.
Cave =CCR dive for me where as Open water 30m+ =CCR dive >30m = twin 7ltr. As soon as I get more than a couple of mins inside anything I want the option of hours to get the hell back out

That said I am a coward and I am not joking I really am.

HOWEVER

I don’t see the need for us to restrict this trip to CCR divers. Ignoring my flippant posting I would be disappointed if Zak and Duncan felt obliged to drop out as they wished to do it OC. They both have a massive amount to offer use in terms of experience with CCR and experience with caves.

Let’s not get anal about the CCR bit. CCR is a tool for some and a toy for others. I don’t give a toss personally from which camp you come. So if they want to go OC, fine let them do what they want to do. We are not f#cking DIR with a YOU MUST DO THIS attitude are we?. They are divers who use rebreathers. That is surely enough. If not then consider that in the case of Zak and Duncan they are serious divers with many years of experience who are pushing the CCR's they use well beyond the usage of general Saturday divers like me.

I for one want them on the trip and I don’t care if they stick a tube up each others ass and breathe methane through a snorkel to get the job done

ATB

Mark Chase

Mark Chase · 11th June 2005, 19:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M)

PERSONALLY (note extra L)

If I ever got into Cave (maybe one day), I think I would prefer to learn the line and navigation trade on OC first rather than CCR. Less task loading with OC - just stick the thing in your gob and all is fine, you can think carefully about what you are learning, rather than concentrating on the CCR too.

Get a HUD

ATB

Mark Chase

***schford*** · 11th June 2005, 20:02

Its a Rebreather World trip and any of our members are welcome to come dive what they want. Having talked to Scott though I dont think it will be a problem hooking up with cylinders and sofnalime etc. So what ever floats yoru boat folks.....More details next week.

Stuart

ROB DAVIE · 11th June 2005, 20:18

What he said!

Rob

decoweenie · 11th June 2005, 21:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE)

...I'm just trying to get to the point where all of my diving is done on Rebreather, except for bail-out!...

Rob,

Just curious, have you dived your Rebreather in a cave ? If yes, where ?

***Decodiver*** · 11th June 2005, 21:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Rob,

Just curious, have you dived your Rebreather in a cave ? If yes, where ?

Looking at the size of it probably the Mont-Blanc tunnel!!!!!!!

I know, I know, if I can't add anything without being flippant.........

I'll get my coat.

Dave.

ROB DAVIE · 12th June 2005, 00:51

Phi, and Dave,

You are both absolutely right. The BBOD is WAAAY too big. You would have to have passages the size of the Chunnel.

It was set up for deep ocean mixed gas work. As Dave says: "Looking at the size of it, probably the Mont-Blanc tunnel!!!!!!!"

I have what is now called the "Classic" case (of course, when I bought it, it was the ONLY case) in standard YBOD yellow, and was going to use it for an Inspo cave class with Matteus Andreus at Pro Tec Playa Del Carmen last month. Stefan was kind enough to recommend him to me.

That did not take place, however, due to the little problem shown in the picture below.

Now, however, when I get back to diving (it's been an effing long dry spell), I will still go down to train with Matt, but it will be with a MUCH smaller, purpose-built unit!

Some day I'd like to get out to dive your area, Phi. You've got some of the greatest diving in the world right in your front yard! And, yes, I will bring the St. Emilion!!!

As for you, Dave, don't get too "fluffy" on us. Being divers and Rebreather pilots as well, we enoy that twisted sense of humour!!!

Cheers, guys! Hope you are having a great weekend.

Rob

decoweenie · 12th June 2005, 04:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE)

...due to the little problem shown in the picture below...

Ouchie!

Hope you feel better soon.

I believe Tom Mount also teaches CCR-cave courses in Florida in case you don't want to have to go all the way to "Mehico" with Matthias.

11th June 2005, 19:18	#31 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,854	PERSONALY Caves scare me but they scare me a hell of a lot less when I am on a CCR. Cave =CCR dive for me where as Open water 30m+ =CCR dive >30m = twin 7ltr. As soon as I get more than a couple of mins inside anything I want the option of hours to get the hell back out That said I am a coward and I am not joking I really am. HOWEVER I don’t see the need for us to restrict this trip to CCR divers. Ignoring my flippant posting I would be disappointed if Zak and Duncan felt obliged to drop out as they wished to do it OC. They both have a massive amount to offer use in terms of experience with CCR and experience with caves. Let’s not get anal about the CCR bit. CCR is a tool for some and a toy for others. I don’t give a toss personally from which camp you come. So if they want to go OC, fine let them do what they want to do. We are not f#cking DIR with a YOU MUST DO THIS attitude are we?. They are divers who use rebreathers. That is surely enough. If not then consider that in the case of Zak and Duncan they are serious divers with many years of experience who are pushing the CCR's they use well beyond the usage of general Saturday divers like me. I for one want them on the trip and I don’t care if they stick a tube up each others ass and breathe methane through a snorkel to get the job done ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 19:26	#32 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 428	Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) PERSONALY Caves scare me but they scare me a hell of a lot less when I am on a CCR. Cave =CCR dive for me where as Open water 30m+ =CCR dive >30m = twin 7ltr. As soon as I get more than a couple of mins inside anything I want the option of hours to get the hell back out PERSONALLY (note extra L) If I ever got into Cave (maybe one day), I think I would prefer to learn the line and navigation trade on OC first rather than CCR. Less task loading with OC - just stick the thing in your gob and all is fine, you can think carefully about what you are learning, rather than concentrating on the CCR too. __________________ Know your PO2 at all times
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 19:39	#33 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 796	Wow, lets makeinstead of Martin FYI a good percentage of the caves are shallow and have a very variable depth profile, so a ccr can be an issue do to a continous up and down dive profile. Not to say that there aren't some real hairy and deep caves in Mexico. I for one am not experenced enough on oc or ccr for those types of dives so count me out. Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) PERSONALY Caves scare me but they scare me a hell of a lot less when I am on a CCR. Cave =CCR dive for me where as Open water 30m+ =CCR dive >30m = twin 7ltr. As soon as I get more than a couple of mins inside anything I want the option of hours to get the hell back out That said I am a coward and I am not joking I really am. HOWEVER I don’t see the need for us to restrict this trip to CCR divers. Ignoring my flippant posting I would be disappointed if Zak and Duncan felt obliged to drop out as they wished to do it OC. They both have a massive amount to offer use in terms of experience with CCR and experience with caves. Let’s not get anal about the CCR bit. CCR is a tool for some and a toy for others. I don’t give a toss personally from which camp you come. So if they want to go OC, fine let them do what they want to do. We are not f#cking DIR with a YOU MUST DO THIS attitude are we?. They are divers who use rebreathers. That is surely enough. If not then consider that in the case of Zak and Duncan they are serious divers with many years of experience who are pushing the CCR's they use well beyond the usage of general Saturday divers like me. I for one want them on the trip and I don’t care if they stick a tube up each others ass and breathe methane through a snorkel to get the job done ATB Mark Chase
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 19:51	#34 (permalink)
Mark Chase RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,854	Quote: (Originally Posted by Andy M) PERSONALLY (note extra L) If I ever got into Cave (maybe one day), I think I would prefer to learn the line and navigation trade on OC first rather than CCR. Less task loading with OC - just stick the thing in your gob and all is fine, you can think carefully about what you are learning, rather than concentrating on the CCR too. Get a HUD ATB Mark Chase __________________ See my "Doing It Chasey" video where I'm locked into a padded room, naked, with two ball bearings and within an Hour, I manage to lose one and break the other!!! Kevin Juergensen 16/11/08 [/quote]
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 20:02	#35 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Its a Rebreather World trip and any of our members are welcome to come dive what they want. Having talked to Scott though I dont think it will be a problem hooking up with cylinders and sofnalime etc. So what ever floats yoru boat folks.....More details next week. Stuart
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 20:18	#36 (permalink)
ROB DAVIE Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: HOUSTON, REPUBLIC OF TEJAS Posts: 1,120	What he said! Rob __________________ "CC Rebreathers will become a viable part of tech diving WHEN PIGS FLY!!"--GI3
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 21:36	#37 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE) ...I'm just trying to get to the point where all of my diving is done on Rebreather, except for bail-out!... Rob, Just curious, have you dived your Rebreather in a cave ? If yes, where ?
(Offline)

11th June 2005, 21:40	#38 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Rob, Just curious, have you dived your Rebreather in a cave ? If yes, where ? Looking at the size of it probably the Mont-Blanc tunnel!!!!!!! I know, I know, if I can't add anything without being flippant......... I'll get my coat. Dave. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
(Offline)

12th June 2005, 04:53	#40 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by ROB DAVIE) ...due to the little problem shown in the picture below... Ouchie! Hope you feel better soon. I believe Tom Mount also teaches CCR-cave courses in Florida in case you don't want to have to go all the way to "Mehico" with Matthias.
(Offline)

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode