Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008

divecrazy · 30th August 2008, 11:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dragan)

Aren't there bigger caves in the Khao Sok area? From what I've understood people have been cave diving in the area for several years, including doing training.

But that's maybe away from the artificial lake?

/Dragan

No, they are in the lake.
Milo

Rebreatherlab · 30th August 2008, 12:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by narked at 90)

hi Roger i lived in the park for 2 years and spent a lot of time exploring!!!.
the depth was reported at the time of near 200m in places.. i never confirmed this,
but some of the dry caves are stunning and many at or bellow water level,
i've seen cat fish pulled out of this place that make me look small,
they weighed in at the 200lb mark, 2 of them in this tiny boat!!!!
i would have loved to dive the vilages but the reported 200m depth was a no go,
if you want a great dive watch there is one under the pontoon on staition 4...you might have to dig for it mind!! as it's been 8 years
kind regards john routley

I think we stayed at #4. I did several night dives under the pontoon and found lots of kayaks and the remains of the previous station. But no dive watch. I asked the Thais if they would like me to bring their kayaks up and they seemed pleased, so I did sent one up in a lift bag. After completing deco they had all gone to bed, so there should now be a lift bag floating around in the lake complete with attached kayak...

Cheers,

Andy

rogeringebo · 30th August 2008, 14:38

Here is a video a friend made of one of his dives in one of the caves.
Its a shame he is on OC though

The whole of South Thailand is pretty much lime stone so there is bound to be lots of caves around.
Other famous caves are the ones in Sra Keow and Song Hong.
I have never been there but Dr Mike, Matt Partridge and others can tell you all about them.

Cheers
Rodge

YouTube - Cave Diving Temple Cave Khao Sok Thailand 2008

Drmike · 1st September 2008, 10:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

Yes this park has many possibilities.

really? then why is it everyone who goes there just dives mostly the same one cave pictured above? lol

Same cave 3 years ago when we found it, with higher water levels but its same cave.
Drmike : photos : New cave discovery , Kao Sok, Thailand - Dec 05- powered by SmugMug

For the park Bruce Konefe is the man, or Matt P
Re: the village: Id like to see some pics of that. I know bruce has done some deep dives there off a platfrom he set up (sub 125m?) looking for the village temple and he has measured the depth to be up to around 200m iirc. we found 80m+ during the above trip.

Re: the caves:lets get things into perspective a bit:

yes theres a few caves but they dont go far and they arent that great. they are ok but there are far better ones around (not it that park) and certainly none of the few caves there require a CCR to dive them LOL

Reckon a pair of sidemount 5L OC will see you right. Obviously searching for the village is a different story.

just that only a few have any imagination or are prepared to do any original work - most follow the leader

Rebreatherlab · 1st September 2008, 15:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

really? then why is it everyone who goes there just dives mostly the same one cave pictured above? lol

Same cave 3 years ago when we found it, with higher water levels but its same cave.
Drmike : photos : New cave discovery , Kao Sok, Thailand - Dec 05- powered by SmugMug

For the park Bruce Konefe is the man, or Matt P
Re: the village: Id like to see some pics of that. I know bruce has done some deep dives there off a platfrom he set up (sub 125m?) looking for the village temple and he has measured the depth to be up to around 200m iirc. we found 80m+ during the above trip.

Re: the caves:lets get things into perspective a bit:

yes theres a few caves but they dont go far and they arent that great. they are ok but there are far better ones around (not it that park) and certainly none of the few caves there require a CCR to dive them LOL

Reckon a pair of sidemount 5L OC will see you right. Obviously searching for the village is a different story.

just that only a few have any imagination or are prepared to do any original work - most follow the leader

Mike,

I have been told there are 6 villages in the lake. If you look at the size of the lake and the general density of villages in rural Thailand that would make sense. Most should likely be along the river that used to flow through the valley. Again that would seem logical as the river should be a main transportation route given the high mountains. I dont see why someone would seek out a 200 m trench to build a temple or village when the general altitude is 150 m higher. Big chance of flooding in the rainy season! We did not hit the river so again logically the river would be a deeper part. If you found 80 m, maybe that was the river. What we found was no temple, but clearly man made features like water cicterns etc. Not much to see but if I can find a cable to move VDO to the computer I will post a few frames.

I think the reason people go to the same cave is that people only spend a few days and go where the captain knows where a cave is. The one on the picture dont look familiar to me so I dont think I have been there. The 4 - 5 caves I have been to bottomed out quite soon. One or two I dont know as I didnt have lines or lights to go further. To really go in there and look for caves that the boat guys dont know about would be quite a project logistically.

Personally I think that 200 m etc. might be Thai's adding a zero. As you know they have a tendency to say "thousand" when they mean "hundred" etc. Why would they even need to know the depth other than where it is safe for their boat to pass?

Andy

Drmike · 1st September 2008, 15:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Rebreatherlab)

Personally I think that 200 m etc. might be Thai's adding a zero. As you know they have a tendency to say "thousand" when they mean "hundred" etc. Why would they even need to know the depth other than where it is safe for their boat to pass?

Andy

IIRC the depth quote of 200m came from Bruce not from any Thai boat operator (why would they know/care) IIRC Bruce dived to some depth already (Cant recall exactly what he said but Im relatively sure he said it was sub 125m) They were using/testing colkan computers/lights on the dive IIRC.

The area was damned and flooded. Who is to say how deep the water is and what the land profile under it was. I see no geological reason why the valley floor could not now have areas with 200m of water over its head or that adequate riverways couldnt have been there at the lowest areas to drain away enough rain water to prevent flooding during monsoon seasons. But I honestly dont know. Maybe bruce will come along and let us know what depths hes found so far.

**wedivebc** · 1st September 2008, 17:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

IIRC the depth quote of 200m came from Bruce not from any Thai boat operator (why would they know/care) IIRC Bruce dived to some depth already (Cant recall exactly what he said but Im relatively sure he said it was sub 125m) They were using/testing colkan computers/lights on the dive IIRC.

The area was damned and flooded. Who is to say how deep the water is and what the land profile under it was. I see no geological reason why the valley floor could not now have areas with 200m of water over its head or that adequate riverways couldnt have been there at the lowest areas to drain away enough rain water to prevent flooding during monsoon seasons. But I honestly dont know. Maybe bruce will come along and let us know what depths hes found so far.

Wouldn't the height of water below the dam indicate the pre-dam depth in that valley?

stuey · 1st September 2008, 17:32

Here we go again, I can see this is going to turn in to another pissing contest.

**wedivebc** · 1st September 2008, 17:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

really? then why is it everyone who goes there just dives mostly the same one cave pictured above? lol

So there you have it folks. Mike is back and if we want to know anything about diving we'll just ask him. Thanks god, we missed you

Drmike · 1st September 2008, 18:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

So there you have it folks. Mike is back and if we want to know anything about diving we'll just ask him. Thanks god, we missed you

you put up a picture of a cave entrance with wording suggesting it was something with 'potential' as in something yet to be explored - i simple said it already has been.

no need to wet yourself and start insulting me, it wasnt an attack on your manhood - my god you must have a tiny willy to be so easily afronted.

i havent missed dealing with fools you

So what part of my post is untrue? as usual you bring nonsense insults and emotion but no logic or factual argument:

Are you saying the cave you posted hasnt been visted many times before (by at least 4 groups I know of)
Are you saying theres caves there that need ccr and cant be dived with a set of 5Ls
Are you saying the caves there arent relatively small
Are you saying there arent better caves elsewhere in thailand

so just where am I wrong exactly?

The truth is im not - I just didnt write the post in a gay touchy feely way enough to not upset your delicate feelings lol

30th August 2008, 11:38	#11 (permalink)
divecrazy RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: thailand Posts: 27	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by Dragan) Aren't there bigger caves in the Khao Sok area? From what I've understood people have been cave diving in the area for several years, including doing training. But that's maybe away from the artificial lake? /Dragan No, they are in the lake. Milo
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30th August 2008, 12:57	#12 (permalink)
Rebreatherlab Rebreatherlab Rep Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thailand Posts: 203	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by narked at 90) hi Roger i lived in the park for 2 years and spent a lot of time exploring!!!. the depth was reported at the time of near 200m in places.. i never confirmed this, but some of the dry caves are stunning and many at or bellow water level, i've seen cat fish pulled out of this place that make me look small, they weighed in at the 200lb mark, 2 of them in this tiny boat!!!! i would have loved to dive the vilages but the reported 200m depth was a no go, if you want a great dive watch there is one under the pontoon on staition 4...you might have to dig for it mind!! as it's been 8 years kind regards john routley I think we stayed at #4. I did several night dives under the pontoon and found lots of kayaks and the remains of the previous station. But no dive watch. I asked the Thais if they would like me to bring their kayaks up and they seemed pleased, so I did sent one up in a lift bag. After completing deco they had all gone to bed, so there should now be a lift bag floating around in the lake complete with attached kayak... Cheers, Andy __________________ www.rebreatherlab.com
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1st September 2008, 10:44	#14 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) Yes this park has many possibilities. really? then why is it everyone who goes there just dives mostly the same one cave pictured above? lol Same cave 3 years ago when we found it, with higher water levels but its same cave. Drmike : photos : New cave discovery , Kao Sok, Thailand - Dec 05- powered by SmugMug For the park Bruce Konefe is the man, or Matt P Re: the village: Id like to see some pics of that. I know bruce has done some deep dives there off a platfrom he set up (sub 125m?) looking for the village temple and he has measured the depth to be up to around 200m iirc. we found 80m+ during the above trip. Re: the caves:lets get things into perspective a bit: yes theres a few caves but they dont go far and they arent that great. they are ok but there are far better ones around (not it that park) and certainly none of the few caves there require a CCR to dive them LOL Reckon a pair of sidemount 5L OC will see you right. Obviously searching for the village is a different story. just that only a few have any imagination or are prepared to do any original work - most follow the leader __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 1st September 2008 at 13:09.
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1st September 2008, 15:08	#15 (permalink)
Rebreatherlab Rebreatherlab Rep Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Classic Kiss Pelagian Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Thailand Posts: 203	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) really? then why is it everyone who goes there just dives mostly the same one cave pictured above? lol Same cave 3 years ago when we found it, with higher water levels but its same cave. Drmike : photos : New cave discovery , Kao Sok, Thailand - Dec 05- powered by SmugMug For the park Bruce Konefe is the man, or Matt P Re: the village: Id like to see some pics of that. I know bruce has done some deep dives there off a platfrom he set up (sub 125m?) looking for the village temple and he has measured the depth to be up to around 200m iirc. we found 80m+ during the above trip. Re: the caves:lets get things into perspective a bit: yes theres a few caves but they dont go far and they arent that great. they are ok but there are far better ones around (not it that park) and certainly none of the few caves there require a CCR to dive them LOL Reckon a pair of sidemount 5L OC will see you right. Obviously searching for the village is a different story. just that only a few have any imagination or are prepared to do any original work - most follow the leader Mike, I have been told there are 6 villages in the lake. If you look at the size of the lake and the general density of villages in rural Thailand that would make sense. Most should likely be along the river that used to flow through the valley. Again that would seem logical as the river should be a main transportation route given the high mountains. I dont see why someone would seek out a 200 m trench to build a temple or village when the general altitude is 150 m higher. Big chance of flooding in the rainy season! We did not hit the river so again logically the river would be a deeper part. If you found 80 m, maybe that was the river. What we found was no temple, but clearly man made features like water cicterns etc. Not much to see but if I can find a cable to move VDO to the computer I will post a few frames. I think the reason people go to the same cave is that people only spend a few days and go where the captain knows where a cave is. The one on the picture dont look familiar to me so I dont think I have been there. The 4 - 5 caves I have been to bottomed out quite soon. One or two I dont know as I didnt have lines or lights to go further. To really go in there and look for caves that the boat guys dont know about would be quite a project logistically. Personally I think that 200 m etc. might be Thai's adding a zero. As you know they have a tendency to say "thousand" when they mean "hundred" etc. Why would they even need to know the depth other than where it is safe for their boat to pass? Andy __________________ www.rebreatherlab.com Last edited by Rebreatherlab : 1st September 2008 at 15:09. Reason: forgot a word
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1st September 2008, 15:54	#16 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by Rebreatherlab) Personally I think that 200 m etc. might be Thai's adding a zero. As you know they have a tendency to say "thousand" when they mean "hundred" etc. Why would they even need to know the depth other than where it is safe for their boat to pass? Andy IIRC the depth quote of 200m came from Bruce not from any Thai boat operator (why would they know/care) IIRC Bruce dived to some depth already (Cant recall exactly what he said but Im relatively sure he said it was sub 125m) They were using/testing colkan computers/lights on the dive IIRC. The area was damned and flooded. Who is to say how deep the water is and what the land profile under it was. I see no geological reason why the valley floor could not now have areas with 200m of water over its head or that adequate riverways couldnt have been there at the lowest areas to drain away enough rain water to prevent flooding during monsoon seasons. But I honestly dont know. Maybe bruce will come along and let us know what depths hes found so far. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 1st September 2008 at 16:04.
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wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,507	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) IIRC the depth quote of 200m came from Bruce not from any Thai boat operator (why would they know/care) IIRC Bruce dived to some depth already (Cant recall exactly what he said but Im relatively sure he said it was sub 125m) They were using/testing colkan computers/lights on the dive IIRC. The area was damned and flooded. Who is to say how deep the water is and what the land profile under it was. I see no geological reason why the valley floor could not now have areas with 200m of water over its head or that adequate riverways couldnt have been there at the lowest areas to drain away enough rain water to prevent flooding during monsoon seasons. But I honestly dont know. Maybe bruce will come along and let us know what depths hes found so far. Wouldn't the height of water below the dam indicate the pre-dam depth in that valley? __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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stuey RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Thailand Posts: 56	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Here we go again, I can see this is going to turn in to another pissing contest.
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wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,507	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) really? then why is it everyone who goes there just dives mostly the same one cave pictured above? lol So there you have it folks. Mike is back and if we want to know anything about diving we'll just ask him. Thanks god, we missed you __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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1st September 2008, 18:14	#20 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: Khao Sok Thailand Expedition 2008 Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) So there you have it folks. Mike is back and if we want to know anything about diving we'll just ask him. Thanks god, we missed you you put up a picture of a cave entrance with wording suggesting it was something with 'potential' as in something yet to be explored - i simple said it already has been. no need to wet yourself and start insulting me, it wasnt an attack on your manhood - my god you must have a tiny willy to be so easily afronted. i havent missed dealing with fools you So what part of my post is untrue? as usual you bring nonsense insults and emotion but no logic or factual argument: Are you saying the cave you posted hasnt been visted many times before (by at least 4 groups I know of) Are you saying theres caves there that need ccr and cant be dived with a set of 5Ls Are you saying the caves there arent relatively small Are you saying there arent better caves elsewhere in thailand so just where am I wrong exactly? The truth is im not - I just didnt write the post in a gay touchy feely way enough to not upset your delicate feelings lol __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 1st September 2008 at 18:42.
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