Meg Training

Silent · 18th June 2005, 16:35

At the moment I am considering 3 options.
1. Go to Leon and get it all from the main man

learning all those neat inside knowledge tricks etc
2. Get it done here in the UK. (Dave?)
3. Go to the Red Sea and do it all in nice warm water.

The other thing I'm wondering kinda ties in with the location of training.
Is it beneficial doing it abroad i.e with Leon to avoid having to make a contribution to the VAT man's wages

when having it shipped to the UK?

Cheers for your advice/comments,

Neil

***schford*** · 18th June 2005, 18:42

Hey Neil,

whether you buy it here or abroad you 'should' pay VAT and import duty on it.

Definatly pros and cons to all the options....If you want the most cost effective way...PM Dave - he is the man in that regard.

Stuart

decoweenie · 19th June 2005, 06:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

whether you buy it here or abroad you 'should' pay VAT and import duty on it.

Why should you pay tax on something that can't be sold "legally" into CE-countries ?

***schford*** · 19th June 2005, 11:34

As when you import something into the EU you have to pay both DUTY and TAX - Duty on diving equipment is 10% and VAT is an additional 17.5% in the UK the point is your are not buying it in the EU - you are importing it....

Stuart

PS I totally agree with you its a rip off!

clivethediver2 · 13th October 2005, 09:56

I know Neil's query was a few months ago,but I thought I'd add my money's worth about Meg training.
I've just come back from 2 weeks in Sharm having done the IANTD Meg course up to Normoxic Trimix level with Chris Hutchison with help from Aaron and Mikael from Tekstreme.
I'd go and do this type of course out there again,as the conditions are just what you want when spending that amount of time in the water-warm and good vis and with a choice of sites for skills,depth etc.
In total,I did 21 dives with just over 35hrs of in-water time on the Meg-and I can't wait for mine to arrive!
Cheers Clive

Sue · 13th October 2005, 11:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Why should you pay tax on something that can't be sold "legally" into CE-countries ?

agree 100% on that!

Specially in Portugal, where according to present diving law (never updated since 1969), diving rebreathers is still ilegal.

Deep Thought · 13th October 2005, 15:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by clivethediver2)

I know Neil's query was a few months ago,but I thought I'd add my money's worth about Meg training.
I've just come back from 2 weeks in Sharm having done the IANTD Meg course up to Normoxic Trimix level with Chris Hutchison with help from Aaron and Mikael from Tekstreme.
I'd go and do this type of course out there again,as the conditions are just what you want when spending that amount of time in the water-warm and good vis and with a choice of sites for skills,depth etc.
In total,I did 21 dives with just over 35hrs of in-water time on the Meg-and I can't wait for mine to arrive!
Cheers Clive

Good point on spending quality time in the water to gain skills and confidence with the unit, warm water certainly encourages this. However a factor to consider is whether you are diving a supplied unit or building your own unit. If you dive a supplied unit, you take it as it is, but if you are building a unit to fit your personal diving style you may wish to make changes. The Meg is a very modular design with options including: harness, plates, wings, cylinder, mounting brackets, etc... Since I have not been to the Red Sea, I do not know what the support is like to supply parts and accessories for rebreathers. Does the specific location you are traveling to support the ability to change a hose length, a different wing, or modify a harness? If the location does not have the parts to modify your Meg, build your unit as complete as possible and consider making modifications to suit your needs on the trip -bring some bits and pieces with you.

***EBT*** · 13th October 2005, 17:24

Personally... I'd want to learn to dive my CCR in conditions I was going to use it in. Silly little things like thicker gloves/suits etc are easier to overcome if you learn in them.

Just my 2 hundreths of local currency....

Explorer · 13th October 2005, 17:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Silent)

At the moment I am considering 3 options.
1. Go to Leon and get it all from the main man

learning all those neat inside knowledge tricks etc
2. Get it done here in the UK. (Dave?)
3. Go to the Red Sea and do it all in nice warm water.

The other thing I'm wondering kinda ties in with the location of training.
Is it beneficial doing it abroad i.e with Leon to avoid having to make a contribution to the VAT man's wages

when having it shipped to the UK?

Cheers for your advice/comments,

Neil

If you are use to diving in cold waters, get your training locally. Cheaper also. 'Learn to dive my CCR in conditions I was going to use it in' unquote.

I plan to do my training with Leon because he is close to where I live (ish) and we dive cold water all the time.

Just a view.

Deep Thought · 13th October 2005, 18:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel)

Personally... I'd want to learn to dive my CCR in conditions I was going to use it in. Silly little things like thicker gloves/suits etc are easier to overcome if you learn in them.

Just my 2 hundreths of local currency....

I agree wholeheartedly that training in the conditions you are most likely to dive is best, but jamming a bunch of time on a unit in a warm location does help build a foundation. I can train a student in a local quarry (cold & dark) and swim around for an hour doing skills, or have them dive in some nice location like Kona, HI where you can pull off a two hour dive with skills and far exceed minimum course time while looking at dolphins, turtles, whales, etc....

The instructor needs to emphasize that there is a difference - their duty by training standards - training agencies specify that the certification is based on training in like conditions. Students must be responsible to this concern and take it slow with transitions. It happens all the time in wreck or cave when a diver trains in warm water, no gloves, light suit, light gear, and then tries to apply the training to cold water - it is a totally different world.

Good point!

18th June 2005, 16:35	#1 (permalink)
Silent Staying Silent! Mostly... Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Ouroboros Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Northants, UK Posts: 383	Meg Training At the moment I am considering 3 options. 1. Go to Leon and get it all from the main man learning all those neat inside knowledge tricks etc 2. Get it done here in the UK. (Dave?) 3. Go to the Red Sea and do it all in nice warm water. The other thing I'm wondering kinda ties in with the location of training. Is it beneficial doing it abroad i.e with Leon to avoid having to make a contribution to the VAT man's wages when having it shipped to the UK? Cheers for your advice/comments, Neil __________________ On the dark side everyone can hear you scream......
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18th June 2005, 18:42	#2 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	options.... Hey Neil, whether you buy it here or abroad you 'should' pay VAT and import duty on it. Definatly pros and cons to all the options....If you want the most cost effective way...PM Dave - he is the man in that regard. Stuart
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19th June 2005, 06:43	#3 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) whether you buy it here or abroad you 'should' pay VAT and import duty on it. Why should you pay tax on something that can't be sold "legally" into CE-countries ?
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19th June 2005, 11:34	#4 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	As when you import something into the EU you have to pay both DUTY and TAX - Duty on diving equipment is 10% and VAT is an additional 17.5% in the UK the point is your are not buying it in the EU - you are importing it.... Stuart PS I totally agree with you its a rip off!
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13th October 2005, 09:56	#5 (permalink)
clivethediver2 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: BEDFORD ENGLAND Posts: 36	I know Neil's query was a few months ago,but I thought I'd add my money's worth about Meg training. I've just come back from 2 weeks in Sharm having done the IANTD Meg course up to Normoxic Trimix level with Chris Hutchison with help from Aaron and Mikael from Tekstreme. I'd go and do this type of course out there again,as the conditions are just what you want when spending that amount of time in the water-warm and good vis and with a choice of sites for skills,depth etc. In total,I did 21 dives with just over 35hrs of in-water time on the Meg-and I can't wait for mine to arrive! Cheers Clive
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13th October 2005, 11:05	#6 (permalink)
Sue RBW Writer Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Portugal Posts: 161	Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Why should you pay tax on something that can't be sold "legally" into CE-countries ? agree 100% on that! Specially in Portugal, where according to present diving law (never updated since 1969), diving rebreathers is still ilegal.
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13th October 2005, 15:51	#7 (permalink)
Deep Thought RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 194	Quote: (Originally Posted by clivethediver2) I know Neil's query was a few months ago,but I thought I'd add my money's worth about Meg training. I've just come back from 2 weeks in Sharm having done the IANTD Meg course up to Normoxic Trimix level with Chris Hutchison with help from Aaron and Mikael from Tekstreme. I'd go and do this type of course out there again,as the conditions are just what you want when spending that amount of time in the water-warm and good vis and with a choice of sites for skills,depth etc. In total,I did 21 dives with just over 35hrs of in-water time on the Meg-and I can't wait for mine to arrive! Cheers Clive Good point on spending quality time in the water to gain skills and confidence with the unit, warm water certainly encourages this. However a factor to consider is whether you are diving a supplied unit or building your own unit. If you dive a supplied unit, you take it as it is, but if you are building a unit to fit your personal diving style you may wish to make changes. The Meg is a very modular design with options including: harness, plates, wings, cylinder, mounting brackets, etc... Since I have not been to the Red Sea, I do not know what the support is like to supply parts and accessories for rebreathers. Does the specific location you are traveling to support the ability to change a hose length, a different wing, or modify a harness? If the location does not have the parts to modify your Meg, build your unit as complete as possible and consider making modifications to suit your needs on the trip -bring some bits and pieces with you.
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13th October 2005, 17:24	#8 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,110	A counterpoint Personally... I'd want to learn to dive my CCR in conditions I was going to use it in. Silly little things like thicker gloves/suits etc are easier to overcome if you learn in them. Just my 2 hundreths of local currency.... __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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13th October 2005, 17:51	#9 (permalink)
Explorer I will teach you a..... Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 783	Quote: (Originally Posted by Silent) At the moment I am considering 3 options. 1. Go to Leon and get it all from the main man learning all those neat inside knowledge tricks etc 2. Get it done here in the UK. (Dave?) 3. Go to the Red Sea and do it all in nice warm water. The other thing I'm wondering kinda ties in with the location of training. Is it beneficial doing it abroad i.e with Leon to avoid having to make a contribution to the VAT man's wages when having it shipped to the UK? Cheers for your advice/comments, Neil If you are use to diving in cold waters, get your training locally. Cheaper also. 'Learn to dive my CCR in conditions I was going to use it in' unquote. I plan to do my training with Leon because he is close to where I live (ish) and we dive cold water all the time. Just a view. __________________ KONA COFFEE
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13th October 2005, 18:05	#10 (permalink)
Deep Thought RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Great Lakes Posts: 194	Quote: (Originally Posted by wreckweasel) Personally... I'd want to learn to dive my CCR in conditions I was going to use it in. Silly little things like thicker gloves/suits etc are easier to overcome if you learn in them. Just my 2 hundreths of local currency.... I agree wholeheartedly that training in the conditions you are most likely to dive is best, but jamming a bunch of time on a unit in a warm location does help build a foundation. I can train a student in a local quarry (cold & dark) and swim around for an hour doing skills, or have them dive in some nice location like Kona, HI where you can pull off a two hour dive with skills and far exceed minimum course time while looking at dolphins, turtles, whales, etc.... The instructor needs to emphasize that there is a difference - their duty by training standards - training agencies specify that the certification is based on training in like conditions. Students must be responsible to this concern and take it slow with transitions. It happens all the time in wreck or cave when a diver trains in warm water, no gloves, light suit, light gear, and then tries to apply the training to cold water - it is a totally different world. Good point!
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