Rebreather Training ----> Certification

Dutchy

Why not ask him to stop posting alltogether? I mean give the man a break. He had the nerve to adress something that people seem to be very jumpy about.

As for you being inundated Schford, you do have an opinion yourself right? No need hiding behind complaints of others. Asking him to start his own thread should have done the job. PM-ing would have been an option as well. Moderating like this may create the appearance of you having an agenda...
btw I am not saying you have one, I think your personal irritation got in the way of objective moderation but that of course is just a hypothesis...

As for dropping the bold should we start banning bold and while we are at it all Smilies as well? For crying out loud stop reading what you don't like and stop stumbeling over trivialities.

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dive2dive2000

Hi Dutchy,

I would have to disagree, how do you know he wasn't addressed privately already? It is one thing to have an opinion and totally disagree it is another to come up with every hypothetical scenario one can think of and totally spin a thread into a whole new direction. I personally find that when that happens the original topic dies along with some very good info. There are some contributors to this forum that are experts at it. A perfect example of this is your post and my reply. Maybe you should have question Stuart in a pm instead of publicly and I probably should have done the same with you.

Stuart, sorry for the hijack.

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decoweenie

If you could manage to get that accomplished, I have a few more much easier requests like ending world hunger or finding a cure for AIDS...

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silent running

Hi Stuart, yes I think the e-learning idea is a good one. Maybe the way to start is with some refresher type tests/courses geared towords people who don't dive for months at a time, like me. Or people who are thinking of getting into CCR and who want to learn more before they do.

Also, given that a significant amount of info about constant PO2 diving is still emerging, e-learning could encompass some continuing-ed type stuff, similar to doctors, who have lots of new research to read all the time. As CCR divers, we are all kind of practicing hyperbaric medicine on ourselves when we dive and I for one am glad to keep learning about it from a physiology POV. -Andy

DeepBlueInnovation

I think it is a good idea to give it a try. I have gained so much knowledge from this site (even the hijacked threads ). Perhaps this form of knowledge distribution would be helpful to people starting out with rebreathers to find and learn in a targeted manner, especially in areas of the world where instructors are few and far between.

Genesis

I think its definitely worth doing as well.

It would be interesting to see if you could get any form of cooperation from the vendors. I know that as a "generic designer" (on the K1) I'd be willing to contribute what's specific to the K1, and what's obvious in general, to such an online system.

The question is, would you get similar help from other vendors (e.g. assembly specifics, the specifics of the scrubber and how to make sure its packed right, the electronics and how they work, etc) or would you get pushback or even active interference?

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schford

As I have far more patience it would seem than Scubaboard or TDS.

Thank you for your opinion and for completely ignoring my request to keep things on topic - if you would like to complain about my moderating in future - start a new thread please.

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schford

i have seen your name posted in other posts and am sorry that i don't remember it. while Karl has been quite verbose about the subjects in question , it has evolved into a series of personal attacks. having started one i feel that my input while not probably needed might be a restraining influence.

the bottom line is will the cert agencies drop the unit specific requirements?
having read iantd reg they drop the unit training for cross over if you have dove the unit in question , my question is how do you dive the unit if they require the manufacture not to sell the unit without certs.

1. 2. 2. This Program must include a confined water session, followed by 6 OW dives with a minimum of 500 minutes of in-water training time using the specific Rebreather on which they are being trained. If qualified OW CCR diver, the total in-water training time is decreased to 400 minutes and the dives are decreased to a minimum of 4 OW dives.

1. 2. 7. To qualify from one Closed Circuit Rebreather to another Closed Circuit Rebreather, a diver must have 12 CCR dives of which one must have been within 45 days of the program on the new CCR and must complete a minimum of 200 minutes of in-water training with at least 2 OW dives.

besides that these two statements do not make sense, IE if i already have a ccr qual, i only have to do 4 dives but if i have dove the unit once i only have to do 2 dives.

so according to this if you have a try dive with the rebreather in question within the 45 days, then you only have to do 2 ow dives. now i assume that i would be required to purchase the text and take the written test but this was the only cross over statements in the iantd manual, so what is the price for the 200 minutes of check out dive.

rick

schford

What personal attacks - that is something we do not tolerate at all...

How is that the bottom line when that is not what the thread is about.

I suggest you start a new thread entitled - Should agencies drop the unit specific requirments? - if you want a discusison on it.

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schford

i am sorry the treads have become so interlinked about training and certs it is tough to keep them straight without rereading all of the posts. i suggest that you start a new thread or a poll " what training levels do you want "as a rebreather diver" instructors will not be allow to post, this is for non professionals only. we want to hear from the guys that pay the bills not the ones that write the invoice.
rick