Discuss the BOOM article here

viscya · 30th August 2006, 03:22

I have a Kiss. An article like this shows some of the additional failure recovery modes of the Meg. I would be interested to hear about these procedures on other units.

Good reading. Thanks Ron.

Mixaddict · 30th August 2006, 04:06

Ron,

Thanks for posting the article. A refresher is never a bad thing! Regarding the completeness or effectiveness of existing CCR instruction, I believe that much of what "many" CCR divers claim to have never heard before is due to the "huge" amount of new information that is presented in Mod 1 classes. I remember sitting throug both Mod 2 and Mod 3 thinking to myself, "I don't remember hearing that before", only to go back to my syllabus from a previous mod and finding the information in big black bold letters! Personally, I think that most (not all) CCR instructors are quite competent, and follow standards and procedures very carefully, including all of the required lecture materials. I think the bigger problem usually lies with the students that quickly forget or never internalized material in the first place. I think it is an interesting question to consider whether or not the standards are too relaxed for training new CCR divers in the first place? (I'm not sure I have an opinion on this one way or the other?)

**wedivebc** · 30th August 2006, 04:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by viscya)

I have a Kiss. An article like this shows some of the additional failure recovery modes of the Meg. I would be interested to hear about these procedures on other units.

Good reading. Thanks Ron.

I was first taught the boom scenario when learning to dive on the sport kiss with an instructor who also dove a meg. Go figure.
It works the same way except you don't have the offboard gas option. What you do have is time and options before you need to bail assuming the failure has been isolated.

RonMicjan · 30th August 2006, 04:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

I was first taught the boom scenario when learning to dive on the sport kiss with an instructor who also dove a meg. Go figure.
It works the same way except you don't have the offboard gas option. What you do have is time and options before you need to bail assuming the failure has been isolated.

actually you were first taught the boom while diving a converted draeger dolphin by a self certified instructor diving the same cobbled together rig...if I recall, that may be the same weekend we met that cute little blond divergirl that eventually became Pattimegdiver...

**wedivebc** · 30th August 2006, 04:26

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

actually you were first taught the boom while diving a converted draeger dolphin by a self certified instructor diving the same cobbled together rig...if I recall, that may be the same weekend we met that cute little blond divergirl that eventually became Pattimegdiver...

Oh yeah, now I remember

RonMicjan · 30th August 2006, 04:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by viscya)

I have a Kiss. An article like this shows some of the additional failure recovery modes of the Meg. I would be interested to hear about these procedures on other units.

Good reading. Thanks Ron.

the basic boom procedure is handled the same way on all CCR's, its what you do after you isolate the problem that will have some differences. the external gas situation is similar for CCR's like the inspio, evo, meg, prism, the Ouroboros will be slightly different due to the ability to switch gasses on and off with the integrated valves and offboard options. (I have only pool dived the boris, not had the full course). The Jetsam units will of course bail out using the BOV and unless they have been modified, they will not have any offboard gas options, but the boom part of the scenario is still the same.

viscya · 30th August 2006, 20:17

Ron,

Agreed, the basic boom procedure is the same, and I thought it was well covered in my MOD-1 class. I have Meg, Boris and Inspiration diving buddies, and we have discussed unit configurations at length. I just wanted to point out that I enjoyed your article for the details on off-board gas switching. Clearly this would not be covered by my training, but is available to these other units.

Thanks again for putting it together.

dive2dive2000 · 1st September 2006, 04:12

Ron,

Nice write up, nice to read what is sometimes just verbally taught, then practicaly applied in training dives. Thanks for taking the time to share

RonMicjan · 1st September 2006, 06:33

Thanks Martin, I appreciate the feedback, thanks everyone for your comments.

caver95 · 10th September 2006, 20:43

that was a good read.Thanks Ron

30th August 2006, 03:22	#11 (permalink)
viscya Wrecking Crew Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Marlton New Jersey Posts: 138	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here I have a Kiss. An article like this shows some of the additional failure recovery modes of the Meg. I would be interested to hear about these procedures on other units. Good reading. Thanks Ron. __________________ "There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters." DrMike
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30th August 2006, 04:06	#12 (permalink)
Mixaddict RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Draper, Utah USA Posts: 520	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Ron, Thanks for posting the article. A refresher is never a bad thing! Regarding the completeness or effectiveness of existing CCR instruction, I believe that much of what "many" CCR divers claim to have never heard before is due to the "huge" amount of new information that is presented in Mod 1 classes. I remember sitting throug both Mod 2 and Mod 3 thinking to myself, "I don't remember hearing that before", only to go back to my syllabus from a previous mod and finding the information in big black bold letters! Personally, I think that most (not all) CCR instructors are quite competent, and follow standards and procedures very carefully, including all of the required lecture materials. I think the bigger problem usually lies with the students that quickly forget or never internalized material in the first place. I think it is an interesting question to consider whether or not the standards are too relaxed for training new CCR divers in the first place? (I'm not sure I have an opinion on this one way or the other?) __________________ Randy Thornton (MixAddict) Inspiration, Evolution, Hammerhead & Sentinel CCR Instructor
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30th August 2006, 04:12	#13 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,508	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by viscya) I have a Kiss. An article like this shows some of the additional failure recovery modes of the Meg. I would be interested to hear about these procedures on other units. Good reading. Thanks Ron. I was first taught the boom scenario when learning to dive on the sport kiss with an instructor who also dove a meg. Go figure. It works the same way except you don't have the offboard gas option. What you do have is time and options before you need to bail assuming the failure has been isolated. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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30th August 2006, 04:18	#14 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,120	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) I was first taught the boom scenario when learning to dive on the sport kiss with an instructor who also dove a meg. Go figure. It works the same way except you don't have the offboard gas option. What you do have is time and options before you need to bail assuming the failure has been isolated. actually you were first taught the boom while diving a converted draeger dolphin by a self certified instructor diving the same cobbled together rig...if I recall, that may be the same weekend we met that cute little blond divergirl that eventually became Pattimegdiver... __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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30th August 2006, 04:26	#15 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,508	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) actually you were first taught the boom while diving a converted draeger dolphin by a self certified instructor diving the same cobbled together rig...if I recall, that may be the same weekend we met that cute little blond divergirl that eventually became Pattimegdiver... Oh yeah, now I remember __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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30th August 2006, 04:32	#16 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,120	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by viscya) I have a Kiss. An article like this shows some of the additional failure recovery modes of the Meg. I would be interested to hear about these procedures on other units. Good reading. Thanks Ron. the basic boom procedure is handled the same way on all CCR's, its what you do after you isolate the problem that will have some differences. the external gas situation is similar for CCR's like the inspio, evo, meg, prism, the Ouroboros will be slightly different due to the ability to switch gasses on and off with the integrated valves and offboard options. (I have only pool dived the boris, not had the full course). The Jetsam units will of course bail out using the BOV and unless they have been modified, they will not have any offboard gas options, but the boom part of the scenario is still the same. __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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30th August 2006, 20:17	#17 (permalink)
viscya Wrecking Crew Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Marlton New Jersey Posts: 138	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Ron, Agreed, the basic boom procedure is the same, and I thought it was well covered in my MOD-1 class. I have Meg, Boris and Inspiration diving buddies, and we have discussed unit configurations at length. I just wanted to point out that I enjoyed your article for the details on off-board gas switching. Clearly this would not be covered by my training, but is available to these other units. Thanks again for putting it together. __________________ "There is nothing majestic or dignified about being left to silently rot and collapse under heaps of old fishing net forgotten and unappreciated in dark and unvisited waters." DrMike
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1st September 2006, 04:12	#18 (permalink)
dive2dive2000 PRISM DIVER & LUVIN IT! Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 796	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Ron, Nice write up, nice to read what is sometimes just verbally taught, then practicaly applied in training dives. Thanks for taking the time to share __________________ Safe Diving, Martin
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1st September 2006, 06:33	#19 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,120	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Thanks Martin, I appreciate the feedback, thanks everyone for your comments. __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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10th September 2006, 20:43	#20 (permalink)
caver95 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Not Bought Yet Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: US Posts: 171	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here that was a good read.Thanks Ron __________________ www.cavetek.com
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