Discuss the BOOM article here

RonMicjan · 29th August 2006, 07:51

I recently wrote an article on BOOM scenarios and how to handle them HERE, use this forum to discuss the article.

decoweenie · 29th August 2006, 08:05

Nice article, Ron, but what is the need since a proper mod-1 course should cover all of those scenario and more ?

Between the on-going 100m-thread and the question from your friend (which prompted the article), I am starting to realize if the general quality of training is really that awful.

RonMicjan · 29th August 2006, 08:19

Thanks Phi, I too wonder if some folks havent had all they really need in training land, however it also could just be that with so much information coming down the pipe, some things get forgotten. I have been reading the 100M thread wondering where some of our folks have received their training as well. Calculating gas needs was waaaay back in advanced nitrox.

iani · 29th August 2006, 09:04

Overall I think it's a useful article but it should be emphasised that different units have different capabilities. In the article a response to a failed O2 1st stage is to plug in offboard and fly the unit manually, on the Ouroboros the offboard gas will feed the solenoid so why fly manually?

Ian

jkaterenchuk · 29th August 2006, 13:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Nice article, Ron, but what is the need since a proper mod-1 course should cover all of those scenario and more ?

Having recently completed the Mod 1 course it is useful to refer to an article like this so that I can confirm if indeed it was covered by the instructor in the course. Being new I do not know what I don't know if no one has ever been told what I don't know.

Also, its nice to use it as repetitive learning or a basis for ongoing practise of skills during dives. There is lots being learned and alot of task loading during the course. For me anyways going back after the course and rereading text, unit manual and doing skills practise helps my pea brain remember.

decoweenie · 29th August 2006, 14:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk)

Having recently completed the Mod 1 course it is useful to refer to an article like this so that I can confirm if indeed it was covered by the instructor in the course...

Fair enough.

However, that's the same reason why you also have the mod-1 course text book and/or additional Rebreather books. Your text book should cover everything Ron mentioned and more.

Anyway, I just thought it was redundant, but if others find it useful then Ron did the right thing. Learning is never a bad thing, we all do it every day...

Steve · 29th August 2006, 14:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Fair enough.

However, that's the same reason why you also have the mod-1 course text book and/or additional Rebreather books. Your text book should cover everything Ron mentioned and more.

Anyway, I just thought it was redundant, but if others find it useful then Ron did the right thing. Learning is never a bad thing, we all do it every day...

Yup, and those of us that have been diving for a while can forget to take a spare mask

I must be a bit slow because I am constantly re-remembering things and re-learning things that I was told years ago. I wish I could remember all of it all of the time

**wedivebc** · 29th August 2006, 23:47

Food for thought here folks. We often critisize people who ask questions about things that should be covered in MOD1 and then often the first reply is "Who was your instructor?". I can say that after my meg training I had to review quite a bit of it because there was a lot of material covered and I may have missed important bits without knowing it.
Although Ron's article covers a very fundamental bit of MOD1 teachings, I for one am glad to be able to review this material from a more experienced point of view and benefit from it.
Thanks Ron. Keep em coming.

RonMicjan · 30th August 2006, 00:07

Thanks for the positive feedback guys, I find that I get to learn everytime I teach, or even write an article. I occasionally go back and read my own stuff and remember things I had forgot. (now isnt that silly?)

It would be neat to put together all the little tips and trick that all of our instructors have in their toolkits and combine them for others to absorb and use.

pattimegdiver · 30th August 2006, 00:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

Thanks for the positive feedback guys, I find that I get to learn everytime I teach, or even write an article. I occasionally go back and read my own stuff and remember things I had forgot. (now isnt that silly?)

It would be neat to put together all the little tips and trick that all of our instructors have in their toolkits and combine them for others to absorb and use.

That would be great. I know how task loading it is when learning new things

but really it is best to have a reference so that one can absorb the correct procedure rather than what they think it is suppose to be, which may be totally wrong, resulting in those nasty bad habbits.

Great idea Ron.

and great article, your the best!

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29th August 2006, 08:05	#2 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Nice article, Ron, but what is the need since a proper mod-1 course should cover all of those scenario and more ? Between the on-going 100m-thread and the question from your friend (which prompted the article), I am starting to realize if the general quality of training is really that awful. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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29th August 2006, 08:19	#3 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,120	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Thanks Phi, I too wonder if some folks havent had all they really need in training land, however it also could just be that with so much information coming down the pipe, some things get forgotten. I have been reading the 100M thread wondering where some of our folks have received their training as well. Calculating gas needs was waaaay back in advanced nitrox. __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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29th August 2006, 09:04	#4 (permalink)
iani Nefarious Activist Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Middlesex, UK Posts: 334	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Overall I think it's a useful article but it should be emphasised that different units have different capabilities. In the article a response to a failed O2 1st stage is to plug in offboard and fly the unit manually, on the Ouroboros the offboard gas will feed the solenoid so why fly manually? Ian
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29th August 2006, 13:08	#5 (permalink)
jkaterenchuk . Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Lititz, PA Posts: 1,088	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Nice article, Ron, but what is the need since a proper mod-1 course should cover all of those scenario and more ? Having recently completed the Mod 1 course it is useful to refer to an article like this so that I can confirm if indeed it was covered by the instructor in the course. Being new I do not know what I don't know if no one has ever been told what I don't know. Also, its nice to use it as repetitive learning or a basis for ongoing practise of skills during dives. There is lots being learned and alot of task loading during the course. For me anyways going back after the course and rereading text, unit manual and doing skills practise helps my pea brain remember.
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29th August 2006, 14:11	#6 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by jkaterenchuk) Having recently completed the Mod 1 course it is useful to refer to an article like this so that I can confirm if indeed it was covered by the instructor in the course... Fair enough. However, that's the same reason why you also have the mod-1 course text book and/or additional Rebreather books. Your text book should cover everything Ron mentioned and more. Anyway, I just thought it was redundant, but if others find it useful then Ron did the right thing. Learning is never a bad thing, we all do it every day... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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29th August 2006, 14:40	#7 (permalink)
Steve Ladies bring a plate Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Perth - Australia Posts: 1,126	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Fair enough. However, that's the same reason why you also have the mod-1 course text book and/or additional Rebreather books. Your text book should cover everything Ron mentioned and more. Anyway, I just thought it was redundant, but if others find it useful then Ron did the right thing. Learning is never a bad thing, we all do it every day... Yup, and those of us that have been diving for a while can forget to take a spare mask I must be a bit slow because I am constantly re-remembering things and re-learning things that I was told years ago. I wish I could remember all of it all of the time __________________ WARNING: I contain occasional coarse language, extreme sexual references, nudity, and adult themes, which may offend some people - Usually churchy types.
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29th August 2006, 23:47	#8 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,508	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Food for thought here folks. We often critisize people who ask questions about things that should be covered in MOD1 and then often the first reply is "Who was your instructor?". I can say that after my meg training I had to review quite a bit of it because there was a lot of material covered and I may have missed important bits without knowing it. Although Ron's article covers a very fundamental bit of MOD1 teachings, I for one am glad to be able to review this material from a more experienced point of view and benefit from it. Thanks Ron. Keep em coming. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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30th August 2006, 00:07	#9 (permalink)
RonMicjan Cap Ron scourge of the NW Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cape Disapointment, The Graveyard of the Pacific Posts: 1,120	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Thanks for the positive feedback guys, I find that I get to learn everytime I teach, or even write an article. I occasionally go back and read my own stuff and remember things I had forgot. (now isnt that silly?) It would be neat to put together all the little tips and trick that all of our instructors have in their toolkits and combine them for others to absorb and use. __________________ Marine rescue, towing and salvage. Interfering with natural selection since 1983. www.tmishop.com Diving bits etc. www.seatowpdx.com The Summer Job
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pattimegdiver RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Portland Oregon Posts: 307	Re: Discuss the BOOM article here Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) Thanks for the positive feedback guys, I find that I get to learn everytime I teach, or even write an article. I occasionally go back and read my own stuff and remember things I had forgot. (now isnt that silly?) It would be neat to put together all the little tips and trick that all of our instructors have in their toolkits and combine them for others to absorb and use. That would be great. I know how task loading it is when learning new things but really it is best to have a reference so that one can absorb the correct procedure rather than what they think it is suppose to be, which may be totally wrong, resulting in those nasty bad habbits. Great idea Ron. and great article, your the best! __________________ Patti Meg Diver Remember that great love and great achievements involve great risk
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