PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD

Craig69 · 8th August 2006, 14:28

I am on the verge of booking my training for Mod 1 on a Classic KISS unit. The instructor I am leaning towards is a very well respected instructor who teaches the PSAI syllabus.

Just looking ahead, when I want to do my Mod 2 on the unit would it be possible to cross over the PSAI to TDI or IANTD training? The reason I ask is just in case I can't get to a PSAI qualified instructor and need to go down the route of a different agency.

Thanks.

Craig.

***Decodiver*** · 8th August 2006, 17:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69)

I am on the verge of booking my training for Mod 1 on a Classic KISS unit. The instructor I am leaning towards is a very well respected instructor who teaches the PSAI syllabus.

Just looking ahead, when I want to do my Mod 2 on the unit would it be possible to cross over the PSAI to TDI or IANTD training? The reason I ask is just in case I can't get to a PSAI qualified instructor and need to go down the route of a different agency.

Thanks.

Craig.

Hi Craig,

Yes you can, I teach PSA, TDI and IANTD and as long as course prerequisites are met, and your instructor accepts your experience there should be no problem.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***jradomski*** · 8th August 2006, 17:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69)

I am on the verge of booking my training for Mod 1 on a Classic KISS unit. The instructor I am leaning towards is a very well respected instructor who teaches the PSAI syllabus.

Just looking ahead, when I want to do my Mod 2 on the unit would it be possible to cross over the PSAI to TDI or IANTD training? The reason I ask is just in case I can't get to a PSAI qualified instructor and need to go down the route of a different agency.

Thanks.

Craig.

Yes you can usually transfer from agency to agency as long as prerequistes are met.. You should also check out what training materials and materials are available.. I am totally unfamiliar with the PSAI rebreather manual for the KISS.. Is there one??

There is a comparison post about the KISS manuals from ANDI, IANTD and TDI..

see this thread..
http://www.rebreatherworld.com/22965-post1.html

BTW the only ANDI KISS instructor I can think of in the UK is Gary Fox down in cornwall, he teaches all the way through TRIMIX..

dave t · 8th August 2006, 19:41

I would worry more about my instructors abilities more than what agency he belongs to. If I were going to do a kiss course I would choose an instructor who dives a kiss. Contrary to what some may say you never REALLY understand a rebreather unless you dive it.

decoweenie · 8th August 2006, 19:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

I would worry more about my instructors abilities more than what agency he belongs to. If I were going to do a kiss course I would choose an instructor who dives a kiss. Contrary to what some may say you never REALLY understand a rebreather unless you dive it.

Can't say any better than that!

Anyone could teach from the syllabus to an inexperience student, but only experienced divers/instructors could pass on the direct personal experience (read: mistakes made

) about the unit.

The student will eventually learn these things on their own, but having someone point them out ahead of them will help you to identify them easier and quicker. And less painful sometimes...

***jradomski*** · 8th August 2006, 21:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Can't say any better than that!

Anyone could teach from the syllabus to an inexperience student, but only experienced divers/instructors could pass on the direct personal experience (read: mistakes made

) about the unit.

The student will eventually learn these things on their own, but having someone point them out ahead of them will help you to identify them easier and quicker. And less painful sometimes...

AMEN

steevke · 9th August 2006, 07:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

I would worry more about my instructors abilities more than what agency he belongs to. If I were going to do a kiss course I would choose an instructor who dives a kiss. Contrary to what some may say you never REALLY understand a rebreather unless you dive it.

I agree 100% Dave, unfortunately reality is a lot different. In Holland a guy just became IANTD Kiss Instructor on an mCCR Dolphin

Now I don't mind that experienced rebreather divers get certified without doing a course on a unit, but not an instructor certification - as first hand experience on the unit is a necessity IMO.

steven

db8us · 9th August 2006, 09:20

Quote: (Originally Posted by steevke)

I agree 100% Dave, unfortunately reality is a lot different. In Holland a guy just became IANTD Kiss Instructor on an mCCR Dolphin

Now I don't mind that experienced rebreather divers get certified without doing a course on a unit, but not an instructor certification - as first hand experience on the unit is a necessity IMO.

steven

I totally agree !
This is as worse as it can get.... Still reminds me of this guy here in germany who completed his Trimix-user course (OC) and 6months later was a course-director and another few months later Inspiration-Instructor (maybe even -trainer).
Money makes the world go round...

I think the EXPERIENCE given from Instructor to student is the value. The material a student can read on his own....
It is like back in University. if the Professor just reads his own books in front of the audience that sucks. If he is telling interesting stories with experience, that was the value

Michael

8th August 2006, 14:28	#1 (permalink)
Craig69 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire (Gods Own County), England. Posts: 123	PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD I am on the verge of booking my training for Mod 1 on a Classic KISS unit. The instructor I am leaning towards is a very well respected instructor who teaches the PSAI syllabus. Just looking ahead, when I want to do my Mod 2 on the unit would it be possible to cross over the PSAI to TDI or IANTD training? The reason I ask is just in case I can't get to a PSAI qualified instructor and need to go down the route of a different agency. Thanks. Craig. __________________ Craig. www.thornebsac.co.uk
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8th August 2006, 17:03	#2 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69) I am on the verge of booking my training for Mod 1 on a Classic KISS unit. The instructor I am leaning towards is a very well respected instructor who teaches the PSAI syllabus. Just looking ahead, when I want to do my Mod 2 on the unit would it be possible to cross over the PSAI to TDI or IANTD training? The reason I ask is just in case I can't get to a PSAI qualified instructor and need to go down the route of a different agency. Thanks. Craig. Hi Craig, Yes you can, I teach PSA, TDI and IANTD and as long as course prerequisites are met, and your instructor accepts your experience there should be no problem. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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8th August 2006, 17:19	#3 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69) I am on the verge of booking my training for Mod 1 on a Classic KISS unit. The instructor I am leaning towards is a very well respected instructor who teaches the PSAI syllabus. Just looking ahead, when I want to do my Mod 2 on the unit would it be possible to cross over the PSAI to TDI or IANTD training? The reason I ask is just in case I can't get to a PSAI qualified instructor and need to go down the route of a different agency. Thanks. Craig. Yes you can usually transfer from agency to agency as long as prerequistes are met.. You should also check out what training materials and materials are available.. I am totally unfamiliar with the PSAI rebreather manual for the KISS.. Is there one?? There is a comparison post about the KISS manuals from ANDI, IANTD and TDI.. see this thread.. http://www.rebreatherworld.com/22965-post1.html BTW the only ANDI KISS instructor I can think of in the UK is Gary Fox down in cornwall, he teaches all the way through TRIMIX.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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8th August 2006, 19:41	#4 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 664	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD I would worry more about my instructors abilities more than what agency he belongs to. If I were going to do a kiss course I would choose an instructor who dives a kiss. Contrary to what some may say you never REALLY understand a rebreather unless you dive it.
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8th August 2006, 19:50	#5 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) I would worry more about my instructors abilities more than what agency he belongs to. If I were going to do a kiss course I would choose an instructor who dives a kiss. Contrary to what some may say you never REALLY understand a rebreather unless you dive it. Can't say any better than that! Anyone could teach from the syllabus to an inexperience student, but only experienced divers/instructors could pass on the direct personal experience (read: mistakes made ) about the unit. The student will eventually learn these things on their own, but having someone point them out ahead of them will help you to identify them easier and quicker. And less painful sometimes... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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8th August 2006, 21:22	#6 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Can't say any better than that! Anyone could teach from the syllabus to an inexperience student, but only experienced divers/instructors could pass on the direct personal experience (read: mistakes made ) about the unit. The student will eventually learn these things on their own, but having someone point them out ahead of them will help you to identify them easier and quicker. And less painful sometimes... AMEN __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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9th August 2006, 07:43	#7 (permalink)
steevke Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 317	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) I would worry more about my instructors abilities more than what agency he belongs to. If I were going to do a kiss course I would choose an instructor who dives a kiss. Contrary to what some may say you never REALLY understand a rebreather unless you dive it. I agree 100% Dave, unfortunately reality is a lot different. In Holland a guy just became IANTD Kiss Instructor on an mCCR Dolphin Now I don't mind that experienced rebreather divers get certified without doing a course on a unit, but not an instructor certification - as first hand experience on the unit is a necessity IMO. steven
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db8us Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Other SCR Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Germany Posts: 238	Re: PSAI Vs TDI, IANTD Quote: (Originally Posted by steevke) I agree 100% Dave, unfortunately reality is a lot different. In Holland a guy just became IANTD Kiss Instructor on an mCCR Dolphin Now I don't mind that experienced rebreather divers get certified without doing a course on a unit, but not an instructor certification - as first hand experience on the unit is a necessity IMO. steven I totally agree ! This is as worse as it can get.... Still reminds me of this guy here in germany who completed his Trimix-user course (OC) and 6months later was a course-director and another few months later Inspiration-Instructor (maybe even -trainer). Money makes the world go round... I think the EXPERIENCE given from Instructor to student is the value. The material a student can read on his own.... It is like back in University. if the Professor just reads his own books in front of the audience that sucks. If he is telling interesting stories with experience, that was the value Michael
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