Should 'Hypercapnia Experience' Be Part Of Training?

buggeriamold

Yep that is exactly what i have had the couple of times i have experienced this on oc.

Found it bloody hard to deal with on oc .. i cant imagine how hard it would be on cc.

Mark

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Well, it is cheap stuff and it comes almost from the local gardening store, but it works fine and it's very solid. We tried to destroy one by hitting it with a hammer... we succeeded but we really had to hit it hard.

schford

I think we just got some crossed wires here, I know Martin and have dived with him and am sure he is asking for the right reasons, namely to enable Martin to 'weight' Joes words and advice.

It is is a reasonable question to ask me thinks and reminds me of one of the things Leon says to ask potential Instructors (I think Leons question is more pertinent though)...

"Ask for a few student references and a resume on the instructor."

For myself I don't think Quantity always = Quality and would prefer an instructor that was highly regarded and had only taught say 50 students to one that was mediocre and had taught hundreds....

After speaking to Joe, personally I have a LOT of time for his advice.

Just my PPO2's worth
*grins* at Sarah (In house joke that one)

Stuart

dive2dive2000

Thanks Stuart

Martin

jradomski

The proper way to pose questions like that are in private.. did you ask andrew or leon or the other 4 instructors in a PUBLIC forum to post his/her resume...

Most interested parties already know my rep, I don't go looking for students they seek me out.. When a person is asking to become a student of mine, the first thing I do is get them on the phone and do a "councelling session" to find out what their abilities and goals are... I turn down alot of students (diver level) because they don't have the right attitude.. If the student wants contact for past students, I have no problems supplying it... But the fact is people pay me to come to them and train (or put the expense to joing a class that I may be running for another shop)..

I still think the question is inappropriate for a PUBLIC forum but rather should be between potental student and instructor but I will answer it anyway..
I am not really into numbers but just off the top of my head I can think of at least 10 instructor classes (CCR) that I have run in the last year, and about double that for user classes (although mostly deco and trimix stuff).. Almost all of these required me to travel.. I am also a believer in small classes, I usually train 1 or 2 students at a time... I'll leave the mass teaching to others..

As an ITD I am not supposed to compete with other instructors for diver level students, my job is to create instructors, instructor trainers, develop classes and help the instructors improve their classes.. I often "assist" other instructors to help them improve their classes and they get to "certify" the student as their own..

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Joe Radomski
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ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10

All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.

dive2dive2000

Joe,

Thanks for the reply.

Martin

Shon Roberts

I dont think it woud be a good idea to give Rebreather students hypercapnia hits. You wouldnt give them an 02 hit!.
As some people have already said if they handle it on their training course they may become complaicent about it once the course is completed.
The best way is to educate students about the problems of hypercapnia and that if at any point during the dive it does not feel right it probably isnt and time to head upwards.

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Pawel

That is, of course, if that "feeling not right" is not a symptom of hypoxia, in which case going upwards would make things worse . Remember, if not feeling right, first flush diluent or go OC, then upwards

Cheers,

Pawel
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Shon Roberts

Hi mate.

Of course your right heading upwards because of not feeling right could be worse if it is not a CO2 problem. What I realy meant to say was take the appropriate action and bailout if neccessary.
Thanks.

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Mdemon

To add to the discussion. one of the things which made me think before playing was that allegedly some people don't regain consciousness from hypercapnia. So it's interesting that some agencies insist on it.

I'm glad I've tried it because I've proved my bailout drill to myself. That alone was worth the risk. If I'm better at spotting hits in the future, then that's a nice bonus, but not the main reason to my mind.

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Howdy, mate! didn't get a chance to greet you when you came on-board.

Welcome to Stuart Ford's "Black Sheep Squadron" of re-breather pilots!

Love the hat in your avatar! It really confirms the image that some people in the OC diving world have of us!!

We've got a great Board here, with lots of really smart people. We've got all sorts of different diving machines, and many different styles of diving represented here.

Again, welcome aboard!

Rob Davie

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