Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK

louisrankin · 25th July 2006, 13:08

Can someone please explain why a Meg Mod 1 course is a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 CCR course?

Thanks

Louis

decoweenie · 25th July 2006, 13:15

AFAIK, the price is set by the manufacturer from what I read or at least IIRC.

louisrankin · 25th July 2006, 13:23

Thanks

Do the manufacturers receive a % of the course fee?

decoweenie · 25th July 2006, 13:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin)

Do the manufacturers receive a % of the course fee?

I have no idea, but I don't believe they do.

You better double-check all this with one of Meg instructors as more than likely that I am wrong.

***jradomski*** · 25th July 2006, 13:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin)

Can someone please explain why a Meg Mod 1 course is a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 CCR course?

Thanks

Louis

I wouldn't say any other course for many other places, but its true for the UK...

I get $1600 for an Inspiration or KISS class...

decoweenie · 25th July 2006, 13:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

I get $1600 for an Inspiration or KISS class...

Personally, I have not heard of anyone charges same or more than that for the YBOD or KISS courses.

Even the GUE boys are not charging that much...

***Decodiver*** · 25th July 2006, 18:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin)

Can someone please explain why a Meg Mod 1 course is a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 CCR course?

Thanks

Louis

Hi Louis,

As one of the UK Instructors I can tell you that the cost of the course is 'more or less' the UK equivalent of what the course was valued at in the USA. This was used as the bench mark.

No there is no kick-back to ISC from the courses.

However, neither are there any instructors undercutting each other or doing courses from their kitchen for the price of a cuppa either.

Inspiration courses used to cost more, but because some individuals decided to seriously undercut the norm, students suddenly realised they could shop around and get cheap, not necessarily good, instruction.

Now those undercutters in the UK know who they are, and yes I have a long list of people to whom I lost students looking for a quick deal.

Interestingly though, a number of these 'lost' students came back to me to 're-do' their Mod 1 courses. I guess they found out the true meaning of value for money.

If you pay £500 for a course you should expect £500 worth of instruction, if you pay £850 you should get £850 worth of instruction.

Megalodon Instructors will not undercut each other through professional courtesy, because the course is worth the money and you the student, are worth the course.

That is why there will probably be no more Meg Instructors being certified for a very long time.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

decoweenie · 25th July 2006, 19:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Interestingly though, a number of these 'lost' students came back to me to 're-do' their Mod 1 courses. I guess they found out the true meaning of value for money.

... or teaching for free in the case here because they can't get students otherwise. Then the student came away realizing that he is missing something but don't know exactly what as he has no frame of reference.

The case of "don't know what he doesn't know". At the end of the day, "free" isn't much of a bargain when it is his life on the line...

Quote:

That is why there will probably be no more Meg Instructors being certified for a very long time.

That's good for the instructors, but it is very bad for the students.

People need to realize that the world is a big place, and not everyone could travel to the destinated Meg instructors.

louisrankin · 25th July 2006, 20:34

Thanks Dave,

I was just curious why a Meg Mod 1 course was a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 Course. I must admit it was one of the reasons I did not sell my classic kiss and buy a Meg I ordered a Hammerhead instead I suppose the money I saved on a course I can put towards batteries ;-)

Louis

***jradomski*** · 26th July 2006, 00:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Personally, I have not heard of anyone charges same or more than that for the YBOD or KISS courses.

Even the GUE boys are not charging that much...

I charge $5 more (I just round out the fee) than the ANDI recommneded pricing.. I know most US ANDI instrutors are getting close to this amount.. (its on our Q&A and every student gets one).. Some instructors will discount it a bit if a student recruits anther student, or buys a units with the class.

Outside the US, the RHQs usually suggest pricing based on wha their market can support... By keeping our instructors tied to shops it keeps the numbers down, and keeps control of the pricing.. This way a student cant say I can get the same course for...

25th July 2006, 13:08	#1 (permalink)
louisrankin Póg mo thóin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 315	Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Can someone please explain why a Meg Mod 1 course is a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 CCR course? Thanks Louis
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25th July 2006, 13:15	#2 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK AFAIK, the price is set by the manufacturer from what I read or at least IIRC. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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louisrankin Póg mo thóin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 315	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Thanks Do the manufacturers receive a % of the course fee?
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25th July 2006, 13:28	#4 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin) Do the manufacturers receive a % of the course fee? I have no idea, but I don't believe they do. You better double-check all this with one of Meg instructors as more than likely that I am wrong. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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25th July 2006, 13:31	#5 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin) Can someone please explain why a Meg Mod 1 course is a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 CCR course? Thanks Louis I wouldn't say any other course for many other places, but its true for the UK... I get $1600 for an Inspiration or KISS class... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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25th July 2006, 13:52	#6 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) I get $1600 for an Inspiration or KISS class... Personally, I have not heard of anyone charges same or more than that for the YBOD or KISS courses. Even the GUE boys are not charging that much... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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25th July 2006, 18:52	#7 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Quote: (Originally Posted by louisrankin) Can someone please explain why a Meg Mod 1 course is a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 CCR course? Thanks Louis Hi Louis, As one of the UK Instructors I can tell you that the cost of the course is 'more or less' the UK equivalent of what the course was valued at in the USA. This was used as the bench mark. No there is no kick-back to ISC from the courses. However, neither are there any instructors undercutting each other or doing courses from their kitchen for the price of a cuppa either. Inspiration courses used to cost more, but because some individuals decided to seriously undercut the norm, students suddenly realised they could shop around and get cheap, not necessarily good, instruction. Now those undercutters in the UK know who they are, and yes I have a long list of people to whom I lost students looking for a quick deal. Interestingly though, a number of these 'lost' students came back to me to 're-do' their Mod 1 courses. I guess they found out the true meaning of value for money. If you pay £500 for a course you should expect £500 worth of instruction, if you pay £850 you should get £850 worth of instruction. Megalodon Instructors will not undercut each other through professional courtesy, because the course is worth the money and you the student, are worth the course. That is why there will probably be no more Meg Instructors being certified for a very long time. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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25th July 2006, 19:13	#8 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Interestingly though, a number of these 'lost' students came back to me to 're-do' their Mod 1 courses. I guess they found out the true meaning of value for money. ... or teaching for free in the case here because they can't get students otherwise. Then the student came away realizing that he is missing something but don't know exactly what as he has no frame of reference. The case of "don't know what he doesn't know". At the end of the day, "free" isn't much of a bargain when it is his life on the line... Quote: That is why there will probably be no more Meg Instructors being certified for a very long time. That's good for the instructors, but it is very bad for the students. People need to realize that the world is a big place, and not everyone could travel to the destinated Meg instructors. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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25th July 2006, 20:34	#9 (permalink)
louisrankin Póg mo thóin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cambridge Posts: 315	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Thanks Dave, I was just curious why a Meg Mod 1 course was a lot more expensive than any other Mod 1 Course. I must admit it was one of the reasons I did not sell my classic kiss and buy a Meg I ordered a Hammerhead instead I suppose the money I saved on a course I can put towards batteries ;-) Louis Last edited by louisrankin : 25th July 2006 at 20:46.
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26th July 2006, 00:13	#10 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: Meg Rebreather Course Cost in UK Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Personally, I have not heard of anyone charges same or more than that for the YBOD or KISS courses. Even the GUE boys are not charging that much... I charge $5 more (I just round out the fee) than the ANDI recommneded pricing.. I know most US ANDI instrutors are getting close to this amount.. (its on our Q&A and every student gets one).. Some instructors will discount it a bit if a student recruits anther student, or buys a units with the class. Outside the US, the RHQs usually suggest pricing based on wha their market can support... By keeping our instructors tied to shops it keeps the numbers down, and keeps control of the pricing.. This way a student cant say I can get the same course for... __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 26th July 2006 at 00:18.
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