Questions about Training.

ebon.hawk · 10th May 2005, 09:48

Couple of questions... ( if you want to move the thread thats okay )

Can I do a combined advanced nitrox / rebreather course ? Currently have TDI Basic Nitrox, I'm told by people that I need to go and do the Adv Nitrox course first then do the Inspiration course.

I'm sort of thinking either go and source a second hand unit ( Inspiration ) or look at Prisms / Megs while I have the money.....

Andy

***schford*** · 10th May 2005, 09:53

You can do a combined course. No problems and IMHO there is bugger all difference between Basic and ADV Nitrox courses when it comes to rebreathers as long as you understand the theory an daltons triangle etc.

Stuart

***Decodiver*** · 10th May 2005, 10:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

You can do a combined course. No problems and IMHO there is bugger all difference between Basic and ADV Nitrox courses when it comes to rebreathers as long as you understand the theory an daltons triangle etc.

Stuart

Stuart,

There is a difference, otherwise we wouldn't have two courses would we ?

Also I think you will find that some agencies do not even require dives for the Nitrox level. PSAI and TDI to name but two.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***Decodiver*** · 10th May 2005, 10:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by ebon.hawk)

Couple of questions... ( if you want to move the thread thats okay )

Can I do a combined advanced nitrox / rebreather course ? Currently have TDI Basic Nitrox, I'm told by people that I need to go and do the Adv Nitrox course first then do the Inspiration course.

I'm sort of thinking either go and source a second hand unit ( Inspiration ) or look at Prisms / Megs while I have the money.....

Andy

Hi Andy,

Yes it is possible to do both courses together.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***schford*** · 10th May 2005, 13:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Stuart,

There is a difference, otherwise we wouldn't have two courses would we ?

Also I think you will find that some agencies do not even require dives for the Nitrox level. PSAI and TDI to name but two.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

I think you'll fine the key words in my reply were "there is bugger all difference between Basic and ADV Nitrox courses when it comes to rebreathers"

I agree there is a difference for their use O/C however the only thing for me that is of any relevance to rebreathers is the theory / daltons diamond, which is covered in basic nitrox.

But its only my opinion - and the skeptic in me might suggest there are 2 courses so one can get 2 loats of fees, as you could easily cover basic and advanced in one course!

Stuart

**nigelh** · 10th May 2005, 18:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

- and the skeptic in me might suggest there are 2 courses so one can get 2 loats of fees, as you could easily cover basic and advanced in one course!

Possibly. However I've been happier with the TDI style that Basic is just sums so it doesn't require any in water time as there are no new skills and Advanced covers stops so the instructor wants to see you do the glass ceiling drill before he signs you off.

I never did work out what the two dives on my PADI course were for.

***schford*** · 10th May 2005, 18:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by nigelh)

Possibly. However I've been happier with the TDI style that Basic is just sums so it doesn't require any in water time as there are no new skills and Advanced covers stops so the instructor wants to see you do the glass ceiling drill before he signs you off.

*cheeky grin* and there was me thinkign thats what deco procedures did - oh thats another course isn't it

Stuart

Ps Just ignore me

ebon.hawk · 11th May 2005, 08:27

A bloke down the pub, or was it a rebreather diver I met out here said they had only done the BSAC Advanced Nitrox course and that was okay to go onto the Inspiration course, but I thought that only gave you the qualification to 50% Nitrox and you needed to be qualified to 100% O2, but thinking as I type I wonder if the instructor added the relevant bits into the Inspiration course ?

Hmm time to ring my solicitors and ask where my house sale is at......

***EBT*** · 11th May 2005, 10:47

Ebon,

Not all agencies are the same. Predominatly, they mostly require you to have a knowledge at advanced nitrox level. The requirement isnt about gas percentages, its about the knowledge (and in some cases the experience).

IANTD are very CCR friendly, TDI want a bit more and I havent read the BSAC standards (ditto PSA).

Almost all agencies have their standards online, you could do worse than to read them..... or, find an instructor you believe in and see what they can do for you. In the netherlands, Pim van der horst has a good reputation.

***Beanie*** · 11th May 2005, 11:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by ebon.hawk)

A bloke down the pub, or was it a rebreather diver I met out here said they had only done the BSAC Advanced Nitrox course and that was okay to go onto the Inspiration course, but I thought that only gave you the qualification to 50% Nitrox and you needed to be qualified to 100% O2, but thinking as I type I wonder if the instructor added the relevant bits into the Inspiration course ?

Hmm time to ring my solicitors and ask where my house sale is at......

i know of two people who did box courses of BSAC advanced nitrox (me being one of them- though I had a TDI trimix ticket too)

10th May 2005, 09:48	#1 (permalink)
ebon.hawk New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hoofddorp, Nederlands Posts: 59	Couple of questions... ( if you want to move the thread thats okay ) Can I do a combined advanced nitrox / rebreather course ? Currently have TDI Basic Nitrox, I'm told by people that I need to go and do the Adv Nitrox course first then do the Inspiration course. I'm sort of thinking either go and source a second hand unit ( Inspiration ) or look at Prisms / Megs while I have the money..... Andy
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10th May 2005, 09:53	#2 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	You can do a combined course. No problems and IMHO there is bugger all difference between Basic and ADV Nitrox courses when it comes to rebreathers as long as you understand the theory an daltons triangle etc. Stuart
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10th May 2005, 10:47	#3 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) You can do a combined course. No problems and IMHO there is bugger all difference between Basic and ADV Nitrox courses when it comes to rebreathers as long as you understand the theory an daltons triangle etc. Stuart Stuart, There is a difference, otherwise we wouldn't have two courses would we ? Also I think you will find that some agencies do not even require dives for the Nitrox level. PSAI and TDI to name but two. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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10th May 2005, 10:47	#4 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,194	Quote: (Originally Posted by ebon.hawk) Couple of questions... ( if you want to move the thread thats okay ) Can I do a combined advanced nitrox / rebreather course ? Currently have TDI Basic Nitrox, I'm told by people that I need to go and do the Adv Nitrox course first then do the Inspiration course. I'm sort of thinking either go and source a second hand unit ( Inspiration ) or look at Prisms / Megs while I have the money..... Andy Hi Andy, Yes it is possible to do both courses together. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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10th May 2005, 13:24	#5 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Stuart, There is a difference, otherwise we wouldn't have two courses would we ? Also I think you will find that some agencies do not even require dives for the Nitrox level. PSAI and TDI to name but two. Cheers, Dave Cooper. I think you'll fine the key words in my reply were "there is bugger all difference between Basic and ADV Nitrox courses when it comes to rebreathers" I agree there is a difference for their use O/C however the only thing for me that is of any relevance to rebreathers is the theory / daltons diamond, which is covered in basic nitrox. But its only my opinion - and the skeptic in me might suggest there are 2 courses so one can get 2 loats of fees, as you could easily cover basic and advanced in one course! Stuart
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10th May 2005, 18:11	#6 (permalink)
nigelh New member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 883	Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) - and the skeptic in me might suggest there are 2 courses so one can get 2 loats of fees, as you could easily cover basic and advanced in one course! Possibly. However I've been happier with the TDI style that Basic is just sums so it doesn't require any in water time as there are no new skills and Advanced covers stops so the instructor wants to see you do the glass ceiling drill before he signs you off. I never did work out what the two dives on my PADI course were for. __________________ nigelh
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10th May 2005, 18:46	#7 (permalink)
*schford* RBW Founder Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: UK Posts: 3,564	Quote: (Originally Posted by nigelh) Possibly. However I've been happier with the TDI style that Basic is just sums so it doesn't require any in water time as there are no new skills and Advanced covers stops so the instructor wants to see you do the glass ceiling drill before he signs you off. cheeky grin and there was me thinkign thats what deco procedures did - oh thats another course isn't it Stuart Ps Just ignore me
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11th May 2005, 08:27	#8 (permalink)
ebon.hawk New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: May 2005 Location: Hoofddorp, Nederlands Posts: 59	A bloke down the pub, or was it a rebreather diver I met out here said they had only done the BSAC Advanced Nitrox course and that was okay to go onto the Inspiration course, but I thought that only gave you the qualification to 50% Nitrox and you needed to be qualified to 100% O2, but thinking as I type I wonder if the instructor added the relevant bits into the Inspiration course ? Hmm time to ring my solicitors and ask where my house sale is at......
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11th May 2005, 10:47	#9 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,110	Ebon, Not all agencies are the same. Predominatly, they mostly require you to have a knowledge at advanced nitrox level. The requirement isnt about gas percentages, its about the knowledge (and in some cases the experience). IANTD are very CCR friendly, TDI want a bit more and I havent read the BSAC standards (ditto PSA). Almost all agencies have their standards online, you could do worse than to read them..... or, find an instructor you believe in and see what they can do for you. In the netherlands, Pim van der horst has a good reputation. __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,311	Quote: (Originally Posted by ebon.hawk) A bloke down the pub, or was it a rebreather diver I met out here said they had only done the BSAC Advanced Nitrox course and that was okay to go onto the Inspiration course, but I thought that only gave you the qualification to 50% Nitrox and you needed to be qualified to 100% O2, but thinking as I type I wonder if the instructor added the relevant bits into the Inspiration course ? Hmm time to ring my solicitors and ask where my house sale is at...... i know of two people who did box courses of BSAC advanced nitrox (me being one of them- though I had a TDI trimix ticket too) __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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