Are you having problems with TDI cert. ??

dantheman

( You did concede that a PIN might be necessary, yes? )

Cert data is not public information.
While I don't believe it's open to obvious nefarious misuse,
what's left of our privacy shouldn't be discarded for a
dubious gain in convenience.

Your argument is a bit over-the-top to begin with.
Between cert cards and check systems (both phone and internet),
those who need to know, can. Where's the problem?

--dan

Bcarney

I normally do not watch the different diving forums but sometimes instructors will forward me threads that need attention. This particular thread resulted in me registering to www.rebreatherworld.com to respond as I felt it was important that the members of this forum hear directly from me.

It is and has always been company policy that all certifications are turned around in no longer than 48 hours from any of our certification processing stations. With that said, when there is information that is hard to read comes in on the student registration forms, it does sometimes take a period of time to get in contact with instructors before the name of the student can be verified. But the instructor who sent us the paperwork will either be contacted via e-mail or a phone call within 48 hours.

It is also company policy not to issue certifications to anyone who does not meet the minimum pre-requisites or have a registration form that does not have a signature from an instructor.

I realize the above does not fix the problem about getting your certification cards, but is does make public how all TDI Regional Offices worldwide are suppose to work according to their agreements with TDI Headquarters.

For those of you that waited a long time for your certifications, I will be happy to personally look into and find a resolution for the delayed certifications. Just contact me either on the phone 207-729-4201 or my direct e-mail brian.carney@tdisdi.com

Brian Carney
President
TDI

shell-back

Now with that said , Those whom have a cert card issue should have little if any reason to continue to bash unless the real issue is the said student fails to follow through with Brian's invitation to get it right because they failed to meet the requirements.

If you step back and think for a second that one agency can or does control the actions of its teaching members you have been duped. somewhere along the way you have traded your free mind for tickets on the ferry boat trip down the river of D'Nile... Jump ship and come back to solid ground.

If you do a Little more research into the instructor regardless of their affiliation you will have little doubt you are indeed getting the course you signed up for and will be rewarded with a cert after you have earned it.
If I paid 25$ for any cert I would be a little more concerned with what part of the instruction I did'nt get(paid for) not the cert card and I would have no expectations for the latter.

Genesis

I have emailed Brian. If he follows through and solves the problem I will report it. That's only fair, although it still leaves open the question of why it took close to two years and being raked over the coals by multiple people on a forum for it to happen.....

BTW, there can be no issue as to whether I met the requirements; that sort of game of oblique BS is uncalled for, at least in my case.

See, the class in question was dual-cert with another agency and I have the other card. The requirements for certification from both agencies are, for all intents and purposes, identical.
I expect an agency to take responsibility for the acts of its instructors which take place "on the clock" when they are teaching under their banner.

If an agency cannot manage to police the simple matter of a piece of paper that a student sees said instructor sign off on, at the same time (at completion of the class) collecting the card-issue fee, then why would anyone believe that this agency will police the quality of instruction delivered?

That of course leads to the next question - if there's no QC exactly what is a student buying? I paid the separate fee for the physical card after the class was successfully completed.

It is silly to pay for a card until you know you earned it, yes?

The fee for the class was collected beforehand, of course, and was substantially more than $25.....

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Drmike

Maybe they should get ISO?

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Drmike

Hi Brian, good to see you here.

Is Alex or Greg head of TDISEA now?

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Genesis

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Deep Thought

The one thing that escapes me is that we as instructors are in the entertainment industry; people dive as a hobby for recreation and enjoyment and we should provide a good quality experience whether it is teaching a peak buoyancy course or trying to keep a person from kacking themselves on a CCR.

Any QA is very self explanatory; good instructors get recommended and bad ones get a rap sheet very quickly. This is a very small industry and you can’t pull the wool over people eyes – word gets around.

“That's only fair, although it still leaves open the question of why it took close to two years and being raked over the coals by multiple people on a forum for it to happen.....”

Well, if you let yourself get raked over coals by multiple people on a forum for two years, WOW it must have been a good certification. I’ve had divorces that were less painful and much faster.

And for more rules, rules, and layers of procedures – NO! this is a very simple self governing industry, it works just fine as it is.

Go dive and have fun, and don’t wait two years for it

DT

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Genesis

I have; the lack of a card is of no material bother to me......

The only reason I brought it back up was because someone else here asked if anyone else had a similar situation arise with the same agency.....

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EBT

Exactly! Whilst I'll agree that online dive-check type services are great, theres an invention called the telephone that seems to be accepted reasonably worldwide.....

As for agency delays, yes, they do occur sometimes. Then again, so do instructor delays, students not completing paperwork properly (or being late to deliver it), which when coupled with the fact that we all lead busy lives, can lead to delays. The trick is to remember you're dealling with people and try picking up the phone, you normally find people respond better to this.

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