Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first

Craig69 · 12th April 2006, 09:31

I'm looking to move over to ccr diving sometime this year and have almost made up my mind which unit to buy

I am currently an OC ERD diver but one of the main driving forces for going ccr would be to start trimix diving. I'm thinking along the lines of a Kiss Classic.

At the dive club last night we started to organise a trip to Ireland in 2008 to do wrecks in the 40m - 80m zone - obviously trimix territory.

It was my understanding that you could do trimix on a rebreather if you did a ccr trimix course. But my DO seems to think that I would need to be OC trimix before going ccr trimix. Is this correct?

And my sencond question is how many hours do you need on a kiss before doing trimix. I know the correct answer is when you are confident you are ready for it and your skills are upto scratch but I wondered if there was a minimum time in hours like with the inspiration.

Thanks in advance,

Craig.

***Beanie*** · 12th April 2006, 09:34

You don't need to be OC trimix before going CC trimix

jhaaja · 12th April 2006, 09:38

Many training agencies require 50 hours on the specific unit before mod 2 (normoxic trimix) course.

JH

scubagrunt · 12th April 2006, 09:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69)

It was my understanding that you could do trimix on a rebreather if you did a ccr trimix course. But my DO seems to think that I would need to be OC trimix before going ccr trimix. Is this correct?

And my sencond question is how many hours do you need on a kiss before doing trimix. I know the correct answer is when you are confident you are ready for it and your skills are upto scratch but I wondered if there was a minimum time in hours like with the inspiration.

Thanks in advance,

Craig.

Nope to the OC trimix, you can go straight to CCR Trimix. and two it depends on the agency. TDI states 50 hours on the inspo/evo, or 100 hrs on the KISS, IANTD states 25 hrs on the unit. not sure on other agencies standards. hope this helps. safe diving!

Janos · 12th April 2006, 10:21

Craig,

You don't have to do OC mix before CCR mix. I'm not planning on doing so. As to how many hours - I think it's only 25 hours with IANTD, but I'm not 100% sure. This is for MOD2 though which is a 60m qualification. I think for an 80m dive you need MOD3, which is a 80m qualification. Personally I wasn't ready after 25 hours but everyone's different.

Also, if you need clarification "the BSAC way", then I would recommend giving Mike Rowley a ring. I was the first Rebreather diver in my club, and he was very helpful in explaining a few things to my DO. He's on the boards here and also on the BSAC forums.

Cheers,
Janos

***jradomski*** · 12th April 2006, 10:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69)

I'm looking to move over to ccr diving sometime this year and have almost made up my mind which unit to buy

I am currently an OC ERD diver but one of the main driving forces for going ccr would be to start trimix diving. I'm thinking along the lines of a Kiss Classic.

At the dive club last night we started to organise a trip to Ireland in 2008 to do wrecks in the 40m - 80m zone - obviously trimix territory.

It was my understanding that you could do trimix on a rebreather if you did a ccr trimix course. But my DO seems to think that I would need to be OC trimix before going ccr trimix. Is this correct?

And my sencond question is how many hours do you need on a kiss before doing trimix. I know the correct answer is when you are confident you are ready for it and your skills are upto scratch but I wondered if there was a minimum time in hours like with the inspiration.

Thanks in advance,

Craig.

AND requires 25 unit specific dives before you can take tech rebreather diver (this is a decompression clas and a pre requisite for the trimix class)

The trimix rebreather program (Full trimix) requires 50 rebreather dives plus TRD as a pre requisite.. This prevents people from racking up lots of hours in a few dives.. for the dives to "count" they must be at least 30-45 minutes long each..

sannerman · 12th April 2006, 10:58

I´m almost in the same position, except that I already have my unit.

And I haven´t a OC Mix cert but have done some "illegal" mix dives with my unit...

So my question is whats the difference in Mod 2 and Mod 3? can I go directly to Mod 3? And the reason I´ll go Mod2 or 3 is only to able to fill Mix on dive trips (home I´m doing it by myself). And no I´m not a crazy guy stretching the limits, I dive with good trained people.

And can some one in short terms tell what drills/classes there are in Mod 2 and Mod 3 training. I figure that different agencies would be quite similar?

/Z

lizardland · 12th April 2006, 11:14

Regardless of course standards the over-riding standard rests with you. For trimix CCR you would need to have the same general in water experience/capability/knowledge and diving common sense that you would before approaching an OC trimix course plus the same level of equipment confidence and familiarity with the rebreather as an OC diver would with OC kit.

Anyway, good luck!

***EBT*** · 12th April 2006, 11:34

Most of the agencies have their standards available to download. IANTD certainly do, which would mean you could read this for yourself direct from their website

The thing to remember is that the course isnt just about the Gas (thats the easy bit), its mostly about the failure management scenarios and the different ways you can get out of shit.

/Z

scubagrunt · 12th April 2006, 12:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

its mostly about the failure management scenarios and the different ways you can get out of shit.

/Z

second that!

12th April 2006, 09:31	#1 (permalink)
Craig69 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Barnsley, South Yorkshire (Gods Own County), England. Posts: 123	Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first I'm looking to move over to ccr diving sometime this year and have almost made up my mind which unit to buy I am currently an OC ERD diver but one of the main driving forces for going ccr would be to start trimix diving. I'm thinking along the lines of a Kiss Classic. At the dive club last night we started to organise a trip to Ireland in 2008 to do wrecks in the 40m - 80m zone - obviously trimix territory. It was my understanding that you could do trimix on a rebreather if you did a ccr trimix course. But my DO seems to think that I would need to be OC trimix before going ccr trimix. Is this correct? And my sencond question is how many hours do you need on a kiss before doing trimix. I know the correct answer is when you are confident you are ready for it and your skills are upto scratch but I wondered if there was a minimum time in hours like with the inspiration. Thanks in advance, Craig. __________________ Craig. www.thornebsac.co.uk
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12th April 2006, 09:34	#2 (permalink)
*Beanie* Gallery Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,311	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC f You don't need to be OC trimix before going CC trimix __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk
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12th April 2006, 09:38	#3 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC f Many training agencies require 50 hours on the specific unit before mod 2 (normoxic trimix) course. JH
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12th April 2006, 09:43	#4 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 441	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69) It was my understanding that you could do trimix on a rebreather if you did a ccr trimix course. But my DO seems to think that I would need to be OC trimix before going ccr trimix. Is this correct? And my sencond question is how many hours do you need on a kiss before doing trimix. I know the correct answer is when you are confident you are ready for it and your skills are upto scratch but I wondered if there was a minimum time in hours like with the inspiration. Thanks in advance, Craig. Nope to the OC trimix, you can go straight to CCR Trimix. and two it depends on the agency. TDI states 50 hours on the inspo/evo, or 100 hrs on the KISS, IANTD states 25 hrs on the unit. not sure on other agencies standards. hope this helps. safe diving! __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com Last edited by scubagrunt : 15th April 2006 at 12:02.
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12th April 2006, 10:21	#5 (permalink)
Janos "Two Sheds" Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: East Surrey Posts: 632	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first Craig, You don't have to do OC mix before CCR mix. I'm not planning on doing so. As to how many hours - I think it's only 25 hours with IANTD, but I'm not 100% sure. This is for MOD2 though which is a 60m qualification. I think for an 80m dive you need MOD3, which is a 80m qualification. Personally I wasn't ready after 25 hours but everyone's different. Also, if you need clarification "the BSAC way", then I would recommend giving Mike Rowley a ring. I was the first Rebreather diver in my club, and he was very helpful in explaining a few things to my DO. He's on the boards here and also on the BSAC forums. Cheers, Janos __________________ You can lead a horse to water but you can't climb a ladder with a large bell in both hands - Vic Reeves www.hellfins.com/shed
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12th April 2006, 10:57	#6 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first Quote: (Originally Posted by Craig69) I'm looking to move over to ccr diving sometime this year and have almost made up my mind which unit to buy I am currently an OC ERD diver but one of the main driving forces for going ccr would be to start trimix diving. I'm thinking along the lines of a Kiss Classic. At the dive club last night we started to organise a trip to Ireland in 2008 to do wrecks in the 40m - 80m zone - obviously trimix territory. It was my understanding that you could do trimix on a rebreather if you did a ccr trimix course. But my DO seems to think that I would need to be OC trimix before going ccr trimix. Is this correct? And my sencond question is how many hours do you need on a kiss before doing trimix. I know the correct answer is when you are confident you are ready for it and your skills are upto scratch but I wondered if there was a minimum time in hours like with the inspiration. Thanks in advance, Craig. AND requires 25 unit specific dives before you can take tech rebreather diver (this is a decompression clas and a pre requisite for the trimix class) The trimix rebreather program (Full trimix) requires 50 rebreather dives plus TRD as a pre requisite.. This prevents people from racking up lots of hours in a few dives.. for the dives to "count" they must be at least 30-45 minutes long each.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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12th April 2006, 10:58	#7 (permalink)
sannerman Let´s Go Down For a While Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 104	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first I´m almost in the same position, except that I already have my unit. And I haven´t a OC Mix cert but have done some "illegal" mix dives with my unit... So my question is whats the difference in Mod 2 and Mod 3? can I go directly to Mod 3? And the reason I´ll go Mod2 or 3 is only to able to fill Mix on dive trips (home I´m doing it by myself). And no I´m not a crazy guy stretching the limits, I dive with good trained people. And can some one in short terms tell what drills/classes there are in Mod 2 and Mod 3 training. I figure that different agencies would be quite similar? /Z __________________ Det är hårt på sjön, fast hårdare på land www.pagi.se
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12th April 2006, 11:14	#8 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,387	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first Regardless of course standards the over-riding standard rests with you. For trimix CCR you would need to have the same general in water experience/capability/knowledge and diving common sense that you would before approaching an OC trimix course plus the same level of equipment confidence and familiarity with the rebreather as an OC diver would with OC kit. Anyway, good luck! __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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12th April 2006, 11:34	#9 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,110	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first Most of the agencies have their standards available to download. IANTD certainly do, which would mean you could read this for yourself direct from their website The thing to remember is that the course isnt just about the Gas (thats the easy bit), its mostly about the failure management scenarios and the different ways you can get out of shit. /Z __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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12th April 2006, 12:08	#10 (permalink)
scubagrunt CCR Diva Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Washington Posts: 441	Re: Kiss Classic - hour many hours before trimix training and do I need to do it OC first Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) its mostly about the failure management scenarios and the different ways you can get out of shit. /Z second that! __________________ "No good deed goes unpunished!" www.silentscuba.com
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