SMI Prism training

***jradomski*** · 14th December 2005, 12:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Classic or Vision equipped head replacement on the Inspiration?
Pod and kidney should count, maybe even the entire Classic's head.
After all that's what you get with all the others.

I didn't have the exact price for both but its cheap (plus on both its real easy to change and its not really necessary).. the total for the classic was $800 (only $78 more), the sport is probably cheaper than that..

***caveseeker7*** · 14th December 2005, 17:10

I can't think of a reason to replace an entire CK head, was just curious for comparison's sake.

What about the Inspiration head? Reason I'm asking is that the normal Vision upgrade includes the scrubber assembly, too. So asuming a spare head is quite a bit less expensive, was the price you quoted for a Vision or Classic head?

***jradomski*** · 14th December 2005, 17:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

I can't think of a reason to replace an entire CK head, was just curious for comparison's sake.

What about the Inspiration head? Reason I'm asking is that the normal Vision upgrade includes the scrubber assembly, too. So asuming a spare head is quite a bit less expensive, was the price you quoted for a Vision or Classic head?

Classic..
The Vision "upgrade" requires you return the old electronics/scrubber.. even so it was something like 4K.. Off hand I kinda remember the electronics being about twice the classic (without trade in).. Not really an option at all in my mind..

decoweenie · 14th December 2005, 19:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

The Vision "upgrade" requires you return the old electronics/scrubber..

Is it really ? Are you sure ?

I thought you get to keep the old head and scrubber ?

***jradomski*** · 14th December 2005, 20:12

[quote=decoweenie]

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

The Vision "upgrade" requires you return the old electronics/scrubber.. quote]
Is it really ? Are you sure ?

I thought you get to keep the old head and scrubber ?

Nope, if you don't its almost double the price..

Where do you think some of the "factory" refurb units come from.. the electronics are rebulit and everything else is new..

heyydude · 14th December 2005, 21:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

::snip:: I wonder if the
controller for the piezo-electronic valve works with a solenoid.

Nope. Won't work. Lots of reasons why, but no one who knows can tell you unless they kill you afterward...

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Intresting question, though. I've had people wondering about adding HH or
Shearwater electronics to the PRISM more often than the other way around.

Been There, Done That, Saw It Sell For $$$ on E-Bay.

Kevin.

Underwaterbear · 14th December 2005, 21:49

Intresting question, though. I've had people wondering about adding HH or
Shearwater electronics to the PRISM more often than the other way around. [IMG]images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

Quote: (Originally Posted by heyydude)

Been There, Done That, Saw It Sell For $$$ on E-Bay.

Kevin.

Am I missing something obvious here? Why would this be attractive? There must be more to it than just getting the deco computer functions given the initial and subsequent $$ involved?

Bubble Boy · 15th December 2005, 00:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Simon,

Just curious. What is the cost of such operation ? And how long did it take ?

Thanks...

I've no idea Phi. When I ordered my Mk series I specified PRISM Digital electrics instead of the standard Analogues so ..........
I believe to order them as seperate parts is arouns US$3,000 though and fitting is another US$500

***jradomski*** · 15th December 2005, 00:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Underwaterbear)

Intresting question, though. I've had people wondering about adding HH or
Shearwater electronics to the PRISM more often than the other way around. [IMG]images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

Am I missing something obvious here? Why would this be attractive? There must be more to it than just getting the deco computer functions given the initial and subsequent $$ involved?

Depend on what the user decides is important to them,

Deco is not the only difference..

If any of these functions are desired..
for HH
The Primary and secondary have fully digital po2 readouts
user changeable and programable setpoints (can also do autoswitch)
Vibrating alarm..
common oxygen cells (more than one source)
,
for shearwater
primary digital po2
changeable setpoints
common oxygen cells (more than one source)

***caveseeker7*** · 15th December 2005, 05:08

Or having electronics in the first place.

IIRC, that HHed PRISM was an early SMI/Carleton prototype re-assembled from parts.

May well have been the case that the electronics weren't up to date, damaged or incomplete.
The HH is an option with a good reputation and its available.

14th December 2005, 12:06	#51 (permalink)
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14th December 2005, 17:10	#52 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,555	Re: SMI Prism training I can't think of a reason to replace an entire CK head, was just curious for comparison's sake. What about the Inspiration head? Reason I'm asking is that the normal Vision upgrade includes the scrubber assembly, too. So asuming a spare head is quite a bit less expensive, was the price you quoted for a Vision or Classic head? __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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14th December 2005, 17:33	#53 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: SMI Prism training Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) I can't think of a reason to replace an entire CK head, was just curious for comparison's sake. What about the Inspiration head? Reason I'm asking is that the normal Vision upgrade includes the scrubber assembly, too. So asuming a spare head is quite a bit less expensive, was the price you quoted for a Vision or Classic head? Classic.. The Vision "upgrade" requires you return the old electronics/scrubber.. even so it was something like 4K.. Off hand I kinda remember the electronics being about twice the classic (without trade in).. Not really an option at all in my mind.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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14th December 2005, 19:18	#54 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: SMI Prism training Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) The Vision "upgrade" requires you return the old electronics/scrubber.. Is it really ? Are you sure ? I thought you get to keep the old head and scrubber ? __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM Last edited by decoweenie : 14th December 2005 at 20:36.
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14th December 2005, 20:12	#55 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: SMI Prism training [quote=decoweenie] Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) The Vision "upgrade" requires you return the old electronics/scrubber.. quote] Is it really ? Are you sure ? I thought you get to keep the old head and scrubber ? Nope, if you don't its almost double the price.. Where do you think some of the "factory" refurb units come from.. the electronics are rebulit and everything else is new.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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14th December 2005, 21:36	#56 (permalink)
heyydude King of the Geeks Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Optima Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Addison, Pennsylvania Posts: 380	Re: SMI Prism training Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) ::snip:: I wonder if the controller for the piezo-electronic valve works with a solenoid. Nope. Won't work. Lots of reasons why, but no one who knows can tell you unless they kill you afterward... Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Intresting question, though. I've had people wondering about adding HH or Shearwater electronics to the PRISM more often than the other way around. Been There, Done That, Saw It Sell For $$$ on E-Bay. Kevin.
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14th December 2005, 21:49	#57 (permalink)
Underwaterbear A Prismer in Megland Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 198	Re: SMI Prism training Intresting question, though. I've had people wondering about adding HH or Shearwater electronics to the PRISM more often than the other way around. [IMG]images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] Quote: (Originally Posted by heyydude) Been There, Done That, Saw It Sell For $$$ on E-Bay. Kevin. Am I missing something obvious here? Why would this be attractive? There must be more to it than just getting the deco computer functions given the initial and subsequent $$ involved?
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15th December 2005, 00:46	#58 (permalink)
Bubble Boy PRISMs are kewl Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz MK 15.X Other CCR Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Sydney Australia Posts: 132	Re: SMI Prism training Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Simon, Just curious. What is the cost of such operation ? And how long did it take ? Thanks... I've no idea Phi. When I ordered my Mk series I specified PRISM Digital electrics instead of the standard Analogues so .......... I believe to order them as seperate parts is arouns US$3,000 though and fitting is another US$500
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15th December 2005, 00:57	#59 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: SMI Prism training Quote: (Originally Posted by Underwaterbear) Intresting question, though. I've had people wondering about adding HH or Shearwater electronics to the PRISM more often than the other way around. [IMG]images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG] Am I missing something obvious here? Why would this be attractive? There must be more to it than just getting the deco computer functions given the initial and subsequent $$ involved? Depend on what the user decides is important to them, Deco is not the only difference.. If any of these functions are desired.. for HH The Primary and secondary have fully digital po2 readouts user changeable and programable setpoints (can also do autoswitch) Vibrating alarm.. common oxygen cells (more than one source) , for shearwater primary digital po2 changeable setpoints common oxygen cells (more than one source) __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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15th December 2005, 05:08	#60 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,555	Re: SMI Prism training Or having electronics in the first place. IIRC, that HHed PRISM was an early SMI/Carleton prototype re-assembled from parts. May well have been the case that the electronics weren't up to date, damaged or incomplete. The HH is an option with a good reputation and its available. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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