No training available, what do I do now?

**RichClark** · 22nd November 2005, 10:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Beanie)

Lou will give you Rebreather World Writer if you publish

Can't beat that

Now we're talking... always wanted to be published

Oh, hang on, did some one mention beer

**RichClark** · 22nd November 2005, 11:02

Quote: (Originally Posted by steevke)

Rich, I'll see you in March probably as well, so Phi will need to bribe at least 2 people

Steven

PS: Phi - forget the camel - I want something better!

There'll be at least 3 of us to pay off... two camels just aint gonna go round. How about a

(I just wanted an excuse to use this smilie)

Look forward to meeting you Steevke.

steevke · 22nd November 2005, 11:29

Rich,

he promised 2 stewardesses in black abiya! But I'm not going to be bribed by a cat in a sack... so he will need to do better than that!

Steven

decoweenie · 22nd November 2005, 12:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark)

There'll be at least 3 of us to pay off... two camels just aint gonna go round...

After a week in Khorfakkan seeing nothing but black abiyah, you will beg me for the camels...

Just kidding, we have a "hot" DM working at the local dive shop. So if you all are nice to me, I will make sure that she will drive the boat every day.

And Steven, she is French...

**RichClark** · 22nd November 2005, 12:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

we have a "hot" DM working at the local dive shop. So if you all are nice to me, I will make sure that she will drive the boat every day.

And Steven, she is French...

I believe we may have struck a deal!

lizardland · 22nd November 2005, 12:57

Quote:

But I also had my fair share of "difficult" students whom were not prepared, were not meticulous about prepping the unit, were not thinking for themselves and rather follow rules blindly, etc.

And there lies the problem. OK, you've got me. Rebreathers are mass market now so it will atrract a lot of people who shouldn't be let near one in a right thinking world, though may be more than capable of earning a cert. As has happened in cave diving and trimix diving, the days of the divers involved being the right people for the right sport are past. It's all far more accessible than it was even five years ago. Hence the numpty:normal ratio must have shifted.

decoweenie · 22nd November 2005, 13:24

Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland)

...the days of the divers involved being the right people for the right sport are past...

I believe you summed it perfectly there!

IMHO, technical diving is so mainstream now that the present "average" technical diver now doesn't possess the same knowledge and experience as those in the past.

For example, most do not know how to rebuild a reg or how to partial-pressure blend, etc. whereas in the past, it is pretty much a "requirement" to be able to participate since technical diving shops were not available.

But on the other hand, I am glad to see that it is becoming so mainstream that anywhere I go, I could find a tech-oriented organization to provide the service so I could dive as I like.

At the end of the day, it could be that the overall percentage of ill-prepared divers is the same - except the mass is much bigger thus the actual number of problems is also larger.

And that's why organization like GUE strives because (in principal) they attract people who are willing to go thru more rigorous training in hope to become better divers.

For everyone who opposes formal training, they need to realize that not everyone could be as independent as them and will benefit from not having to re-invent the wheel while self-teach.

Life is a balance in all aspects. There will always be someone who can blaze the right path on their own, and also someone who needs a little nudge toward the right direction.

Again, just IMHO...

steevke · 22nd November 2005, 13:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

Just kidding, we have a "hot" DM working at the local dive shop. So if you all are nice to me, I will make sure that she will drive the boat every day.
And Steven, she is French...

Phi, if she's French I'd rather go for the camel

Honestly - my wife is French (speaking) - 1 is more than I can handle - let Richard have a go!

Steven

Genesis · 22nd November 2005, 14:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

For everyone who opposes formal training, they need to realize that not everyone could be as independent as them and will benefit from not having to re-invent the wheel while self-teach.

Life is a balance in all aspects. There will always be someone who can blaze the right path on their own, and also someone who needs a little nudge toward the right direction.

Again, just IMHO...

I don't know anyone who actually opposes formal training - not even me, and I'm known around the net as being pretty rabid on the subject.

What I oppose is forced formal training.

decoweenie · 22nd November 2005, 14:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis)

What I oppose is forced formal training.

... then we are on the same page as I oppose forced anything...

22nd November 2005, 10:58	#41 (permalink)
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RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 778	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by steevke) Rich, I'll see you in March probably as well, so Phi will need to bribe at least 2 people Steven PS: Phi - forget the camel - I want something better! There'll be at least 3 of us to pay off... two camels just aint gonna go round. How about a (I just wanted an excuse to use this smilie) Look forward to meeting you Steevke. __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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22nd November 2005, 11:29	#43 (permalink)
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22nd November 2005, 12:05	#44 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by RichClark) There'll be at least 3 of us to pay off... two camels just aint gonna go round... After a week in Khorfakkan seeing nothing but black abiyah, you will beg me for the camels... Just kidding, we have a "hot" DM working at the local dive shop. So if you all are nice to me, I will make sure that she will drive the boat every day. And Steven, she is French... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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22nd November 2005, 12:38	#45 (permalink)
RichClark Classic KISS No. 226 Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hove, UK Posts: 778	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) we have a "hot" DM working at the local dive shop. So if you all are nice to me, I will make sure that she will drive the boat every day. And Steven, she is French... I believe we may have struck a deal! __________________ The more I learn about women, the more I want to go diving... just don't tell my wife I said that To taste something a little different, try http://www.thechillikitchen.co.uk
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22nd November 2005, 12:57	#46 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,304	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: But I also had my fair share of "difficult" students whom were not prepared, were not meticulous about prepping the unit, were not thinking for themselves and rather follow rules blindly, etc. And there lies the problem. OK, you've got me. Rebreathers are mass market now so it will atrract a lot of people who shouldn't be let near one in a right thinking world, though may be more than capable of earning a cert. As has happened in cave diving and trimix diving, the days of the divers involved being the right people for the right sport are past. It's all far more accessible than it was even five years ago. Hence the numpty:normal ratio must have shifted. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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22nd November 2005, 13:24	#47 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by lizardland) ...the days of the divers involved being the right people for the right sport are past... I believe you summed it perfectly there! IMHO, technical diving is so mainstream now that the present "average" technical diver now doesn't possess the same knowledge and experience as those in the past. For example, most do not know how to rebuild a reg or how to partial-pressure blend, etc. whereas in the past, it is pretty much a "requirement" to be able to participate since technical diving shops were not available. But on the other hand, I am glad to see that it is becoming so mainstream that anywhere I go, I could find a tech-oriented organization to provide the service so I could dive as I like. At the end of the day, it could be that the overall percentage of ill-prepared divers is the same - except the mass is much bigger thus the actual number of problems is also larger. And that's why organization like GUE strives because (in principal) they attract people who are willing to go thru more rigorous training in hope to become better divers. For everyone who opposes formal training, they need to realize that not everyone could be as independent as them and will benefit from not having to re-invent the wheel while self-teach. Life is a balance in all aspects. There will always be someone who can blaze the right path on their own, and also someone who needs a little nudge toward the right direction. Again, just IMHO... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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22nd November 2005, 13:30	#48 (permalink)
steevke Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 311	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) Just kidding, we have a "hot" DM working at the local dive shop. So if you all are nice to me, I will make sure that she will drive the boat every day. And Steven, she is French... Phi, if she's French I'd rather go for the camel Honestly - my wife is French (speaking) - 1 is more than I can handle - let Richard have a go! Steven
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22nd November 2005, 14:05	#49 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,395	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) For everyone who opposes formal training, they need to realize that not everyone could be as independent as them and will benefit from not having to re-invent the wheel while self-teach. Life is a balance in all aspects. There will always be someone who can blaze the right path on their own, and also someone who needs a little nudge toward the right direction. Again, just IMHO... I don't know anyone who actually opposes formal training - not even me, and I'm known around the net as being pretty rabid on the subject. What I oppose is forced formal training.
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22nd November 2005, 14:47	#50 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: No training available, what do I do now? Quote: (Originally Posted by Genesis) What I oppose is forced formal training. ... then we are on the same page as I oppose forced anything... __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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