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Old 4th July 2008, 17:14   #21 (permalink)
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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

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Does anyone aside from those mentioned in the book, abide by the "three strike" rule they mentioned?

The author said the divers would call the dive if there were three equipment issues before the dive started.
Yep. Only had to do it once, but it was the right call at the time. I laughed when I read that- and I bet a lot of divers do the same thing. The dives I've done where I and/ or my buddy(s) "Pushed through" more than 2 equipment problems all sucked, for one reason or another- they were stressfull, and I had an overwhelming feeling that I "wasn't supposed to be there."
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Old 4th July 2008, 17:28   #22 (permalink)
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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

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Yep. Only had to do it once, but it was the right call at the time. I laughed when I read that- and I bet a lot of divers do the same thing. The dives I've done where I and/ or my buddy(s) "Pushed through" more than 2 equipment problems all sucked, for one reason or another- they were stressfull, and I had an overwhelming feeling that I "wasn't supposed to be there."
We call it the "3 oh shits" rule.

These could be anything - A flat tire on the way to the dive, a spilled cup of coffee into the gear bag, a dead computer - Anything in the water too, such as taking an AL80 to the head (could count as two really )

3 "Oh shits" and I hang it up for the day - No exceptions.

I've taught my daughter this rule too.
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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

I have not read the book yet, but plan to. Not sure if the book goes into the various dive accounts found on Dave's website, but I should mention that those are very interesting to read as well.

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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

To paraphrase a flight instructor's advice:

You start our with a bag full of luck and a bag empty of experience. If you fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is gone, you get to survive.

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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

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To paraphrase a flight instructor's advice:

You start our with a bag full of luck and a bag empty of experience. If you fill the bag of experience before the bag of luck is gone, you get to survive.

Bruce

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I think my bag of luck was filled with s**t

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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

I just finished the book, and I have to say it is excellent. I can recommend this book to everyone.

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I think my bag of luck was filled with s**t

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dude how many times have you been trapped inside wreks this summer and your still alive???????

i think you got two bags of luck big guy............................
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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

I read the book a while back and felt it was a good read. Pointing out how quickly he moved into deep diving was well done through the entire book and brought the point home well.

On the subject of number of dives and deep diving I have input that is a little different. I started diving in the military and subsequently used mix. We were taught specific procedures for the mission and we followed them to the letter. In that situation we accomplished the dives with training, protocol, and support. We did not have the experience and could not rely on it for help. A few years later I started diving scuba for recreation. Having experience diving deep and with mix allowed me to move quickly into recreational technical diving. Still it was many years before I used mix or went very deep for that matter on the recreational side. It just did not cross over and still does not IMO.

All too often we see divers that are very good with their skills and move through the levels of diving quickly. When all goes right they accomplish some high levels of diving and with today's equipment it goes right more than it goes wrong. Then there is the time when something does not work and it all starts to cascade out of control. This is where experience kicks in and makes the difference. All too often that experience is not there and the result is bad.

I have never been to 270 m and do not plan to. Of course I don't know what the future holds and don't see anything that would justify the risk IMO. If there were a reason though I know that it would take many many work up dives before I would feel comfortable making an attempt at the mark much less attempting a working dive. No disrespect to Dave or the others but the plan was flawed from the beginning with how aggressive it was for the experience of the people attempting to pull it off.

As was compared in an earlier post the military makes fighter pilots in just a few hundred flight hours. Those pilots are not prepared to operate on their own because of their lack of experience. They have a huge structured support system. As was mentioned putting that same pilot in a small piston aircraft and turning them loose would not be a good idea. The same holds true for recreational diving related to military or commercial diving IMO.

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Old 13th September 2008, 06:04   #29 (permalink)
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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

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I just finished the book, and I have to say it is excellent. I can recommend this book to everyone.

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I second that. Just finished it about 10 minutes ago. Excellent read. Does anyone know if diving is still allowed at Bushman's?
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Re: New Must-Read Book: "Raising the Dead"

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Does anyone aside from those mentioned in the book, abide by the "three strike" rule they mentioned?

The author said the divers would call the dive if there were three equipment issues before the dive started.
We do it as well. Three malfunctions/problems and it's over for the day. Regroup, take care of the problems, and try again tomorrow. I've had similar experiences to those of Nailer99, when I've had several problems and pushed on anyway I've had crappy dives, in a couple instances an "Am I going to get out of this one alive?" type dive. For me, it's just not worth it, the wreck will still be there tomorrow!

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