Reduced Oxygen Breathing System for Training

cool_hardware52 · 22nd March 2008, 02:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Old charter pilots trick for rowdy passengers.... raise the cabin altitude and serve free drinks. In 10 minutes they'll all be dozing.

Dave

Damn, I never got the free drinks

Tobin

mempilot · 22nd March 2008, 02:33

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

We do that every day here...... the big 'smoke' button is right over my head in the sim. As the circuit breakers ripple in waves as they pop, and the emergency lights come on, and the smoke fills the cockpit... and the rain beats down on the windshield and the flashlight is trained on the magnetic compass, it's sometimes hard to believe that we are safe and sound in a building on the edge of the airport...

Look up EVAS as well. We teach that too.

Dave

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FSI produces some awesome technologically advanced simulators. Maybe Alteon has the option?? I wouldn't be surprised if the company just opts out for the smoke.

With all the sh!t locations we fly into, you'd think our company would have sprung for the HUD. Nope. We seem to follow the AF into the sim a lot, and the sim techs have to come in and change out a few things. I got them to leave the control panel for the HUD in for a loft, and I realized what we are missing for those Djibouti and Tegucigalpa night/low viz landings. Course, the HUD probably isn't useful in a cabin full of smoke.

The EVAS training looks pretty cool. I haven't been to a Flight Safety location since Wichita in '96.

mempilot · 22nd March 2008, 02:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by cool_hardware52)

Damn, I never got the free drinks

Tobin

Tobin, You were already asleep when the sky waitress came by for your order. She passed yours up to the Flight Engineer.

**Dave Sutton** · 22nd March 2008, 02:41

Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot)

FSI produces some awesome technologically advanced simulators. Maybe Alteon has the option?? I wouldn't be surprised if the company just opts out for the smoke.

With all the sh!t locations we fly into, you'd think our company would have sprung for the HUD.

Dunno about Alteon: That used to be Boeing/FlightSafety but we bailed out and left it. I still fly out at Boeing now and then though: They use a pair of T-33's as chase jets for their project flights, and guess who gives them their T-33 checkrides?

HUD's? Heck, visible light spectrum HUD's are already obolete. We're now flying synthetic vision HUD's using thermal (FLIR) imagry and millimetric band RADAR superimposed in the HUD as well as the visible light spectrum seen thru the combining glass. The cost of the entire system of HUD and sensors? In excess of US$1Mil.

Nice to fly corporate equipment where each jet is bought 'with all options' and cost is *truly* no object.

Dave

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mempilot · 22nd March 2008, 02:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

HUD's? Heck, visible light spectrum HUD's are already obolete. We're now flying synthetic vision HUD's using thermal (FLIR) imagry and millimetric band RADAR superimposed in the HUD as well as the visible light spectrum seen thru the combining glass. The cost of the entire system of HUD and sensors? In excess of US$1Mil.

Nice to fly corporate equipment where each jet is bought 'with all options' and cost is *truly* no object.

The corporate guys get all the toys.

I'm in the pool for another DoD contractor with a CL605 and a C750. Crossing the fingers to get away from Boeing NG (not my idea of fun; interesting, but not fun).

Isn't that the truth about no object cost? The owner of our parent company flew out to Seatle and paid $40m+ cash for the latest NG and didn't get the HUD (like it would have mattered at that point?

). Nicely equipped aircraft, but nothing close to what is being sold GA wise.

Back to the ROBD: All the training in the world and some FNG nugget forgets to run a proper preflight on an old Lear, leaving the O2 off in the tail, and you get the Stewart accident.

I guess airplanes and rebreathers aren't all that far apart when it comes to proper checklist usage and the outcome for not doing so.

22nd March 2008, 02:27	#21 (permalink)
cool_hardware52 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: SoCal USA Posts: 399	Re: Reduced Oxygen Breathing System for Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Old charter pilots trick for rowdy passengers.... raise the cabin altitude and serve free drinks. In 10 minutes they'll all be dozing. Dave Damn, I never got the free drinks Tobin __________________ www.deepseasupply.com
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22nd March 2008, 02:33	#22 (permalink)
mempilot Eric Stadtmueller Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,708	Re: Reduced Oxygen Breathing System for Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) We do that every day here...... the big 'smoke' button is right over my head in the sim. As the circuit breakers ripple in waves as they pop, and the emergency lights come on, and the smoke fills the cockpit... and the rain beats down on the windshield and the flashlight is trained on the magnetic compass, it's sometimes hard to believe that we are safe and sound in a building on the edge of the airport... Look up EVAS as well. We teach that too. Dave . FSI produces some awesome technologically advanced simulators. Maybe Alteon has the option?? I wouldn't be surprised if the company just opts out for the smoke. With all the sh!t locations we fly into, you'd think our company would have sprung for the HUD. Nope. We seem to follow the AF into the sim a lot, and the sim techs have to come in and change out a few things. I got them to leave the control panel for the HUD in for a loft, and I realized what we are missing for those Djibouti and Tegucigalpa night/low viz landings. Course, the HUD probably isn't useful in a cabin full of smoke. The EVAS training looks pretty cool. I haven't been to a Flight Safety location since Wichita in '96. __________________ Eric Stadtmueller, otherwise known as, MEM "Da Pilot"
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22nd March 2008, 02:36	#23 (permalink)
mempilot Eric Stadtmueller Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,708	Re: Reduced Oxygen Breathing System for Training Quote: (Originally Posted by cool_hardware52) Damn, I never got the free drinks Tobin Tobin, You were already asleep when the sky waitress came by for your order. She passed yours up to the Flight Engineer. __________________ Eric Stadtmueller, otherwise known as, MEM "Da Pilot"
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22nd March 2008, 02:41	#24 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,907	Re: Reduced Oxygen Breathing System for Training Quote: (Originally Posted by mempilot) FSI produces some awesome technologically advanced simulators. Maybe Alteon has the option?? I wouldn't be surprised if the company just opts out for the smoke. With all the sh!t locations we fly into, you'd think our company would have sprung for the HUD. Dunno about Alteon: That used to be Boeing/FlightSafety but we bailed out and left it. I still fly out at Boeing now and then though: They use a pair of T-33's as chase jets for their project flights, and guess who gives them their T-33 checkrides? HUD's? Heck, visible light spectrum HUD's are already obolete. We're now flying synthetic vision HUD's using thermal (FLIR) imagry and millimetric band RADAR superimposed in the HUD as well as the visible light spectrum seen thru the combining glass. The cost of the entire system of HUD and sensors? In excess of US$1Mil. Nice to fly corporate equipment where each jet is bought 'with all options' and cost is truly no object. Dave . __________________ "Silent Diving with No Bubbles and No Politics".... www.nobubblediving.com
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22nd March 2008, 02:56	#25 (permalink)
mempilot Eric Stadtmueller Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Ft. Lauderdale Posts: 1,708	Re: Reduced Oxygen Breathing System for Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) HUD's? Heck, visible light spectrum HUD's are already obolete. We're now flying synthetic vision HUD's using thermal (FLIR) imagry and millimetric band RADAR superimposed in the HUD as well as the visible light spectrum seen thru the combining glass. The cost of the entire system of HUD and sensors? In excess of US$1Mil. Nice to fly corporate equipment where each jet is bought 'with all options' and cost is truly no object. The corporate guys get all the toys. I'm in the pool for another DoD contractor with a CL605 and a C750. Crossing the fingers to get away from Boeing NG (not my idea of fun; interesting, but not fun). Isn't that the truth about no object cost? The owner of our parent company flew out to Seatle and paid $40m+ cash for the latest NG and didn't get the HUD (like it would have mattered at that point? ). Nicely equipped aircraft, but nothing close to what is being sold GA wise. Back to the ROBD: All the training in the world and some FNG nugget forgets to run a proper preflight on an old Lear, leaving the O2 off in the tail, and you get the Stewart accident. I guess airplanes and rebreathers aren't all that far apart when it comes to proper checklist usage and the outcome for not doing so. __________________ Eric Stadtmueller, otherwise known as, MEM "Da Pilot"
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