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Brainx3

Hi,


The issue of using Helium on dives exceeding 30 meters on CCR have been discussed several times previously. I believe since almost everyone agrees on using Helium when diving deeper than 30 meters to avoid narcosis, then the dive community can submit its own safety improvement measures to tech diving organisations that teach CCR courses in order to improve their safety levels while courses are conducted and afterwards. Today, only people who have taken integrated courses or have additional certificates can purchase Helium from dive centers, but if Helium was introduced and used in CCR MOD 1 then it can be purchased by all divers who have only taken MOD 1 level. You may vote "Yes" or "No" to let us know what you think and then we all can make a difference.


Best Regards. Wael

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Dsix36

yes

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Dutchy

Good wording in the question. It leaves room for starting out with air during the course and then at the instructors discretion switching to a normoxic dil for the last few dives.

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Brainx3

Hi,


This is actually the whole point, and further on, it's about allowing CCR divers to maximize their safety factors regardless whether they are beginners or experienced.


Best Regards. Wael

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colinicky

I think there needs to be a 3rd option :- "Yes but only if tx trained on OC " ?

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Brainx3

Hi,


If you have a Tx certificate in OC and you are MOD 1 CCR then you are allowed to use Tx in your mix so no need for a third option as that's already known and used today.


Best Regards. Wael

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diverklondike

Personally I think the survey question is flawed... Here is the reason...

Let's look at the course disc. of a Mod 1 CCR class...

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INTRODUCTION
This is the entry-level certification course for recreational divers wishing to utilize a Closed Circuit Rebreather
COURSE OBJECTIVES
The objective of this course is to train recreational divers in the benefits, hazards and proper procedures for rebreather diving on a CCR and to develop basic rebreather diving skills appropriate to diving within the normal recreational depth limits of 40 meters for no decompression diving

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It does not make sense to add training on Normoxic Trimix to that of learning basis CCR. It sounds like you do not want to take anything other other than a MOD 1 class and that you want to dive the unit past 40m with this training alone. That's why there is a MOD 2 Class....

Here is the class overview and purpose of a MOD 2 class...

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IANTD MOD 2 Closed Circuit Rebreather Course - Normix Trimix Diluent

Purpose

This Program is designed to train divers in the safer use of the CCR for dives using normoxic helium-based gas mixtures for diluent and stages. It is also especially useful to train divers who wish to dive up to 200 fsw (60 msw), but do not wish to breathe air diluent below 90 fsw (27 msw) on CCR.
The knowledge and skills taught in this program are more than adequate to qualify divers to perform Trimix Dives outside of training up to 200 fsw (60 msw).

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I would suggest that it's up to the instructor to look at your skills etc. to determine what is appropreate for a given student's background. There is a reason that the classes are seperate. In my mind standardizing the basic CCR training with "He" is tempting people to much to dive outside their personal skill and experiance level....


Don't be cheap when it comes to proper training... Your life depends on it...

A MOD one class is not designed to provide CCR deco training and or for depths past 40 m.

Brainx3

Hi,


Thanks for the feedback. Actually IANTD standards allow MOD 1 divers to dive down to 42 meters if using Air as diluent and 48 meters if using Helium. Thus the question here for training that requires deeper dives than 30 meters in order for the student divers to maintain their awareness level. You logic would also applies to MOD 2 and MOD 3 if the diver wants to be cheap then what would stop the diver who made only MOD 2 to dive down to 70 or 80 or 90 meters?

This is a safety issue, nothing more or less.


Best Regards. Wael

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divetheworld

Seen too many divers on MOD1 with little bouyancy skills.

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Dutchy

I have no business at 60 meter. I do not have use for serious deco either. All I want is to do some recreational diving @ 30m. Mod 2 is overdoing it.
Now that you mentioned IANTD I'd say include Adv Rec Tx in mod 1 but then again its a poll and you are entitled to your own opinion when you say the question is flawed...

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