Inspiration Modification

si_b_lanzarote · 10th January 2008, 22:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky)

Sorry but would disagree .An instructor in the UK can teach a course for the Kiss which is not CE approved BUT the instructor must use a CE approved unit to teach from .

I did my mod2 & 3 with a Vision in a KT frame fitted with rear mounted counterlungs & a Kiss BOV

no one is arguing the point of whether it can be done and would it work from a teaching point of view. and I am fully aware of the non CE thing and how we get around, now i know this is a bit morbid but has this been put to the test yet in a uk court??? i would be interested to get someone from the HSE's point of view on this as i think the duty of care and the risk assessment would come into play.

Inspired Trainer · 11th January 2008, 00:17

The student can wear anything...from megs to stockings / suspenders or even a gilt coffin...only the instructor is concerned about HSE regs as he/she is the working diver the acops cover.

Divers at work must wear CE marked and non modified equipment - the punters can do what they want although the instructor has some obligation to ensure that the equipment worn by the customer is serviced and fit for purpose - not nessescarily CE marked though - this is isnt as relevant as the first 2 points.

Brainx3 · 11th January 2008, 12:48

I would also think that it's up to the instructor. However, doing the course in a standard way would minimize any equipment problems as the student should be familiar with the unit and its parts, but it is a good idea to make an extra dive or two by the end of the course with the BOV to show the difference and eventually it's up to the diver.

Best Regards. Wael

leakybreather · 17th January 2008, 13:24

just for information the answer was no, my instructor thinks is best to learn on a standard unit - which I have no problem with, he is the experienced half of the pair after all...

Brainx3 · 17th January 2008, 16:46

Hi,

That was my opinion as well.

Good luck with your course.

Best Regards. Wael

dave t · 17th January 2008, 18:04

I would rather see you become competent on the equipment you will be diving on, whats the point in training to use one mouthpeice and as soon as the course is over you will bin it and stick the BOV on!! which has a completly different way of operation and a different way of failure manegment

Dave

Foxy · 19th January 2008, 18:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by Inspired Trainer)

The student can wear anything...from megs to stockings / suspenders or even a gilt coffin...only the instructor is concerned about HSE regs as he/she is the working diver the acops cover.

Divers at work must wear CE marked and non modified equipment - the punters can do what they want although the instructor has some obligation to ensure that the equipment worn by the customer is serviced and fit for purpose - not nessescarily CE marked though - this is isnt as relevant as the first 2 points.

So If it ever ended up in a court of Law in England(god forbid) How are you as an Instructor going to prove it was fit for purpose/Fit for use for your (possibly deceased) Student without approriate CE Approval !!!!????
I wouldn't be too confident about coming away from it sqeaky clean!!

**nigelh** · 19th January 2008, 20:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by Foxy)

So If it ever ended up in a court of Law in England(god forbid) How are you as an Instructor going to prove it was fit for purpose/Fit for use for your (possibly deceased) Student without approriate CE Approval !!!!????
I wouldn't be too confident about coming away from it sqeaky clean!!

Please stop inventing law.
HSE regs cover the diver at work.
Only the diver at work.
Otherwise your students would require an HSE medical.

The HSE are the most sensible bunch of regulators I have ever come across. The good and the careful are gently checked and advised whilst the wilfully negligent get eaten alive. If you have trouble you normally deserve it.

10th January 2008, 22:05	#11 (permalink)
si_b_lanzarote RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Megalodon Ouroboros Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: lanzarote, Canary Islands Posts: 104	Re: Inspiration Modification Quote: (Originally Posted by colinicky) Sorry but would disagree .An instructor in the UK can teach a course for the Kiss which is not CE approved BUT the instructor must use a CE approved unit to teach from . I did my mod2 & 3 with a Vision in a KT frame fitted with rear mounted counterlungs & a Kiss BOV no one is arguing the point of whether it can be done and would it work from a teaching point of view. and I am fully aware of the non CE thing and how we get around, now i know this is a bit morbid but has this been put to the test yet in a uk court??? i would be interested to get someone from the HSE's point of view on this as i think the duty of care and the risk assessment would come into play. __________________ http://www.thediveshoplanzarote.com Last edited by si_b_lanzarote : 10th January 2008 at 22:14.
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11th January 2008, 00:17	#12 (permalink)
Inspired Trainer New Member Current Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other Rebreather/s: Pelagian Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London Posts: 63	Re: Inspiration Modification The student can wear anything...from megs to stockings / suspenders or even a gilt coffin...only the instructor is concerned about HSE regs as he/she is the working diver the acops cover. Divers at work must wear CE marked and non modified equipment - the punters can do what they want although the instructor has some obligation to ensure that the equipment worn by the customer is serviced and fit for purpose - not nessescarily CE marked though - this is isnt as relevant as the first 2 points.
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11th January 2008, 12:48	#13 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 312	Re: Inspiration Modification I would also think that it's up to the instructor. However, doing the course in a standard way would minimize any equipment problems as the student should be familiar with the unit and its parts, but it is a good idea to make an extra dive or two by the end of the course with the BOV to show the difference and eventually it's up to the diver. Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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17th January 2008, 13:24	#14 (permalink)
leakybreather RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: UK Posts: 41	Re: Inspiration Modification just for information the answer was no, my instructor thinks is best to learn on a standard unit - which I have no problem with, he is the experienced half of the pair after all...
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17th January 2008, 16:46	#15 (permalink)
Brainx3 Totally Submerged Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: International Waters Posts: 312	Re: Inspiration Modification Hi, That was my opinion as well. Good luck with your course. Best Regards. Wael __________________ The depth of life cannot be measured in Bars, nor can the sea of lies, that lies within. Sooner or later I'll be cracking your market and end your game. *I don't take crap for an answer...*
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17th January 2008, 18:04	#16 (permalink)
dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 664	Re: Inspiration Modification I would rather see you become competent on the equipment you will be diving on, whats the point in training to use one mouthpeice and as soon as the course is over you will bin it and stick the BOV on!! which has a completly different way of operation and a different way of failure manegment Dave
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19th January 2008, 18:36	#17 (permalink)
Foxy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Cornwall Posts: 2	Re: Inspiration Modification Quote: (Originally Posted by Inspired Trainer) The student can wear anything...from megs to stockings / suspenders or even a gilt coffin...only the instructor is concerned about HSE regs as he/she is the working diver the acops cover. Divers at work must wear CE marked and non modified equipment - the punters can do what they want although the instructor has some obligation to ensure that the equipment worn by the customer is serviced and fit for purpose - not nessescarily CE marked though - this is isnt as relevant as the first 2 points. So If it ever ended up in a court of Law in England(god forbid) How are you as an Instructor going to prove it was fit for purpose/Fit for use for your (possibly deceased) Student without approriate CE Approval !!!!???? I wouldn't be too confident about coming away from it sqeaky clean!!
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19th January 2008, 20:48	#18 (permalink)
nigelh New member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 883	Re: Inspiration Modification Quote: (Originally Posted by Foxy) So If it ever ended up in a court of Law in England(god forbid) How are you as an Instructor going to prove it was fit for purpose/Fit for use for your (possibly deceased) Student without approriate CE Approval !!!!???? I wouldn't be too confident about coming away from it sqeaky clean!! Please stop inventing law. HSE regs cover the diver at work. Only the diver at work. Otherwise your students would require an HSE medical. The HSE are the most sensible bunch of regulators I have ever come across. The good and the careful are gently checked and advised whilst the wilfully negligent get eaten alive. If you have trouble you normally deserve it. __________________ nigelh
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