SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method

**jiseson** · 1st January 2008, 19:12

OMG!

diverklondike · 1st January 2008, 19:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike)
Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)
I am sure that Dave will be happy to PM the information to you at a later time so that we do not have to endure any further pain. This will allow you to make good on your promise mentioned above...
Deal!

Dave can rely on me not making public the information.
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Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

If you look through the thread, you will note we were discussing a technique for bailing-out which worked when you had total electronics failure.

If you have electronics, guess what, you can manually run any mix you want (almost) without resorting to any bail-out (I was taught this in Mod 1 after 2 hours on a rebreather).

You have broken your promise already!!!

sunnyboy · 1st January 2008, 19:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

If you look through the thread, you will note we were discussing a technique for bailing-out which worked when you had total electronics failure.

If you have electronics, guess what, you can manually run any mix you want (almost) without resorting to any bail-out (I was taught this in Mod 1 after 2 hours on a rebreather).

Re-read what I said. OTHERS (advanced trained) can do the technique without electronics. ***YOU*** cannot because you are a beginner.

I won't ask you to answer my question because I now am certain you do not know the answer.

Better yet, just go away. Get some dives in. Or something.

-S

Buccaneer · 1st January 2008, 19:34

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

I did not break any promise (read my promise please... "I am not planning any other posts other than what is necessary to understand what Dave's methodology is and how it works or does not work...I pledge not to post till mid-February once the above is achieved").

In any event, I await for Dave's technique by PM which he says works with total loss of electronics without further posts in this thread as well.

Quite frankly, it is a very odd way of getting info.

Tx.

It's referred to as blackmail.

**trob09** · 1st January 2008, 19:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

In any event, I await for Dave's technique by PM

For what it's worth, If I were Dave I would not be sharing any technique with you via PM. Maybe it's a language barrier thing or maybe it's the difficulty in communicating in written form over the interweb or maybe it's something else. In any case, it is my impression that the information would not be understood.

Naturally, I don't speak for Dave and he is free to decide if he wants to share the info or not. But as they say on your first day of scuba trianing, don't hold your breath.

t

brandonmc · 1st January 2008, 19:44

why do you guys keep encouraging this guy??? the poor horse was beat beyond glue on page 1 of this thread!

JCdesign97 · 1st January 2008, 22:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by brandonmc)

why do you guys keep encouraging this guy??? the poor horse was beat beyond glue on page 1 of this thread!

B,

Perhaps you would be so kind as to share with us the approved technique you refer to for extracting glue from said dead horse(s). I just referred to numerous manuals I have here on the subject and without reprinting any of them in full (for fear of copyright infringement), I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion ...

brandonmc · 1st January 2008, 23:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by JCdesign97)

B,

Perhaps you would be so kind as to share with us the approved technique you refer to for extracting glue from said dead horse(s). I just referred to numerous manuals I have here on the subject and without reprinting any of them in full (for fear of copyright infringement), I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion ...

If I gave up the info that easily I would not be able to up my post count by pontificating about the esoteric glue extracting technique I hold for 10 pages under the pretense of a "civil discussion" while berating those that do not already know such technique.

Oh, I fully realize I am offering nothing to this discussion and have already given red blobs to myself accordingly..

Nailer99 · 1st January 2008, 23:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by brandonmc)

If I gave up the info that easily I would not be able to up my post count by pontificating about the esoteric glue extracting technique I hold for 10 pages under the pretense of a "civil discussion" while berating those that do not already know such technique.

Oh, I fully realize I am offering nothing to this discussion and have already given red blobs to myself accordingly..

Have a round of green, gentlemen!

Dsix36 · 1st January 2008, 23:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

You would live if you could monitor your pPO2 with your electronics or maybe if you o2 flushed (AT 6 METERS!!!) maybe every ten minutes or so.

WARNING! This technique is potentially very dangerous and must not be attempted without proper training and practise whilst monitoring the ppO 2 displays... SO DO NOT DO IT!

I just went out and did a 2 1/2 hr beach dive. This was for practice with my drysuit and to test a couple of theories.

I settled myself at 34' and relaxed. My PO2 was set at 1.2 and was stable. I changes the SP to .4 and breathed the loop down. I got 52 breathes before the PO2 reached 1.1. I did the same test with a moderate swim rate (34' - 35') and only got 21 breathes before reaching 1.1. OK, now I know a little about my O2 metabolism.

Next test. I settled at 34' with my SP at 1.2. I got totally relaxed and adjusted loop volumn to miniman. I switched my hanset to OC and shut my eyes (I was relying on the Vibrating HUD to let me know if things got life threatning). I just layed there and breathed, it seemed like it took forever, until my loop volumn was low enogh that I was not able to get a full breath. I added just enough O2 to maintain loop volumn. I did this for several (8) manual injections before I checked my handset readings. last injection, PO2 was 1.21 Now I removed the HUD and
turned it over (not visible, but can feel it vibrate) and did it all over with a moderate swim rate (33' -35'). Pretty much the same results.

I only did this without changing depth. I am not ready to try and calculate on the fly.

1st January 2008, 19:12	#81 (permalink)
jiseson DSIX/O2PTIMA Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long island,ny Posts: 641	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method *OMG!* __________________ *Jonathan D Iseson*
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1st January 2008, 19:14	#82 (permalink)
diverklondike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,714	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by diverklondike) Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) I am sure that Dave will be happy to PM the information to you at a later time so that we do not have to endure any further pain. This will allow you to make good on your promise mentioned above... Deal! Dave can rely on me not making public the information. ************************************************ ******************* Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC**) If you look through the thread, you will note we were discussing a technique for bailing-out which worked when you had total electronics failure. If you have electronics, guess what, you can manually run any mix you want (almost) without resorting to any bail-out (I was taught this in Mod 1 after 2 hours on a rebreather). You have broken your promise already!!!
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1st January 2008, 19:25	#83 (permalink)
sunnyboy RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ladysmith, B.C. Canada Posts: 98	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) If you look through the thread, you will note we were discussing a technique for bailing-out which worked when you had total electronics failure. If you have electronics, guess what, you can manually run any mix you want (almost) without resorting to any bail-out (I was taught this in Mod 1 after 2 hours on a rebreather). Re-read what I said. OTHERS (advanced trained) can do the technique without electronics. *YOU* cannot because you are a beginner. I won't ask you to answer my question because I now am certain you do not know the answer. Better yet, just go away. Get some dives in. Or something. -S
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1st January 2008, 19:34	#84 (permalink)
Buccaneer New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Boston Posts: 50	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) I did not break any promise (read my promise please... "I am not planning any other posts other than what is necessary to understand what Dave's methodology is and how it works or does not work...I pledge not to post till mid-February once the above is achieved"). In any event, I await for Dave's technique by PM which he says works with total loss of electronics without further posts in this thread as well. Quite frankly, it is a very odd way of getting info. Tx. It's referred to as blackmail. __________________ FreePlanner Free VPM-B Dive Planning Mac OS X and Windows
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1st January 2008, 19:37	#85 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 701	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) In any event, I await for Dave's technique by PM For what it's worth, If I were Dave I would not be sharing any technique with you via PM. Maybe it's a language barrier thing or maybe it's the difficulty in communicating in written form over the interweb or maybe it's something else. In any case, it is my impression that the information would not be understood. Naturally, I don't speak for Dave and he is free to decide if he wants to share the info or not. But as they say on your first day of scuba trianing, don't hold your breath. t
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1st January 2008, 19:44	#86 (permalink)
brandonmc is awesome Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 114	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method why do you guys keep encouraging this guy??? the poor horse was beat beyond glue on page 1 of this thread! __________________ http://www.downtoolong.com/
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1st January 2008, 22:19	#87 (permalink)
JCdesign97 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PA, USA Posts: 419	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by brandonmc) why do you guys keep encouraging this guy??? the poor horse was beat beyond glue on page 1 of this thread! B, Perhaps you would be so kind as to share with us the approved technique you refer to for extracting glue from said dead horse(s). I just referred to numerous manuals I have here on the subject and without reprinting any of them in full (for fear of copyright infringement), I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion ... __________________ Cheers, John Cogan
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1st January 2008, 23:30	#88 (permalink)
brandonmc is awesome Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Maryland Posts: 114	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by JCdesign97) B, Perhaps you would be so kind as to share with us the approved technique you refer to for extracting glue from said dead horse(s). I just referred to numerous manuals I have here on the subject and without reprinting any of them in full (for fear of copyright infringement), I have to respectfully disagree with your assertion ... If I gave up the info that easily I would not be able to up my post count by pontificating about the esoteric glue extracting technique I hold for 10 pages under the pretense of a "civil discussion" while berating those that do not already know such technique. Oh, I fully realize I am offering nothing to this discussion and have already given red blobs to myself accordingly.. __________________ http://www.downtoolong.com/
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1st January 2008, 23:32	#89 (permalink)
Nailer99 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Seattle, WA, USA Posts: 280	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by brandonmc) If I gave up the info that easily I would not be able to up my post count by pontificating about the esoteric glue extracting technique I hold for 10 pages under the pretense of a "civil discussion" while berating those that do not already know such technique. Oh, I fully realize I am offering nothing to this discussion and have already given red blobs to myself accordingly.. Have a round of green, gentlemen!
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1st January 2008, 23:45	#90 (permalink)
Dsix36 Going Down? Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida Posts: 1,154	Re: SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) You would live if you could monitor your pPO2 with your electronics or maybe if you o2 flushed (AT 6 METERS!!!) maybe every ten minutes or so. WARNING! This technique is potentially very dangerous and must not be attempted without proper training and practise whilst monitoring the ppO 2 displays... SO DO NOT DO IT! I just went out and did a 2 1/2 hr beach dive. This was for practice with my drysuit and to test a couple of theories. I settled myself at 34' and relaxed. My PO2 was set at 1.2 and was stable. I changes the SP to .4 and breathed the loop down. I got 52 breathes before the PO2 reached 1.1. I did the same test with a moderate swim rate (34' - 35') and only got 21 breathes before reaching 1.1. OK, now I know a little about my O2 metabolism. Next test. I settled at 34' with my SP at 1.2. I got totally relaxed and adjusted loop volumn to miniman. I switched my hanset to OC and shut my eyes (I was relying on the Vibrating HUD to let me know if things got life threatning). I just layed there and breathed, it seemed like it took forever, until my loop volumn was low enogh that I was not able to get a full breath. I added just enough O2 to maintain loop volumn. I did this for several (8) manual injections before I checked my handset readings. last injection, PO2 was 1.21 Now I removed the HUD and turned it over (not visible, but can feel it vibrate) and did it all over with a moderate swim rate (33' -35'). Pretty much the same results. I only did this without changing depth. I am not ready to try and calculate on the fly. __________________ THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
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