SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method

Nemisis · 30th December 2007, 18:15

From the many questions HMC is asking he must have taken nothing in on his course or perhaps he is not sure whether Cedric is telling the truth

**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 18:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

Just to clarify, maybe someone could misunderstand, the comment above is not for Dave!!

Cheers

Nad

Well, since I never took a course and am always confused.......

Truly: All we're dealing with here is a simple aid to memory for old fashoned VSC. It's hardly anything new, but any simple way to be able to do the math in your head is a worthwhile trick to know. The F02 tolerances cited seem pretty narrow... far narrower than *I* would worry about. I'm lots more interested in staying concious.... and I'm *not* gonna dump molecules of 02 into the ocean just "because".

Dave

Nad · 30th December 2007, 18:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Gonna light 'em all off at once in my backyard at midnight. That'll make the neighbors wonder about me more than ever...

Oh my God, I'm lucky to live at 1000's miles away...

Nad

**Dsix36** · 30th December 2007, 19:26

I, for one person, would like to read *ALL* SCR methods and decide for myself as to which one is best.

It is my life - and thus my decision to make. It is not up to someone else to tell me that this way or that way is the best or only option.

**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 19:59

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

The only one which to me has shed some clarity is the one in DIRrebreather Manual II. It is very simple to calculate and do underwater (not just at home).

Which you refuse to articulate, apparently thinking that it's a trade secret, so thanks for contributing *nothing at all* to the conversation.
Red blob sent accordingly for *not offering information that might assist one of your peers here to save his life*. Sheesh: Do I have to write it myself?

These forums are for *sharing* information. It's not a one-way pipeline. Contribute, or...
<innermost thought not published in order to preserve decorum>.

Methinks you're not a good shipmate.

Dave

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**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 20:27

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

I have "offered information that might assist one of my peers here to save his life" - buy and read DIRrebrether Manual II (and DIRrebreather Manual I as well if you are a Newbie).

Thanks for the advertisement, and precious little else....

Dave

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Carl Wern · 30th December 2007, 20:31

You will not violate any copyright law by discussing a bailout method in your own words, if it was so then every agency, training organisation and instructor would be violating copyright laws daily when discussing dive rellated issues, methodes or facts. My 2 cents.

decoweenie · 30th December 2007, 20:47

I am taking bets on how many more pages this discussion will go on between Dave and HMC...

$1 / bet closest to the actual post count wins it all... :Wink:

diverklondike · 30th December 2007, 20:55

Gang,

This is a split thread from the CCR Trimix Simplified...

Let's try and keep this one on topic...

Thanks

Mark
Rebreather World Staff..

sunnyboy · 30th December 2007, 21:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

I understand your view and I agree with it and with sharing information, but I am not the one who made copyright law and not the one to break it either.

Rebreather World T&C do not permit and cannot condone breaching copyright laws either (otherwise RBW as "publisher" gets in trouble).

So, your red blob and argument for it is uncalled for.

I have "offered information that might assist one of my peers here to save his life" - buy and read DIRrebrether Manual II (and DIRrebreather Manual I as well if you are a Newbie).

Hey mate, Happy New Year (and dispose of your old flares appropriately without causing unnecessary alarm or distress to the Coast Guard)!

Bullsh!t.

Stop hiding behind "copyright law". You are permitted to make short quotes of any published work for the sake of discussion, as long as you cite the original source and as long as it is no more than a few sentences (i.e. you can't quote a whole page).

No-one asked you to scan the pages and post PDF's. You were asked to paraphrase the material.

It seems apparent (from your own posts) you do not understand the material sufficiently to paraphrase it. So then quote small parts of it with appropriate reference (title, author, publisher, copyright date).

Otherwise, you are just a noisy gong (show).

-S

30th December 2007, 18:15	#21 (permalink)
Nemisis New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: UK Posts: 1	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question From the many questions HMC is asking he must have taken nothing in on his course or perhaps he is not sure whether Cedric is telling the truth
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30th December 2007, 18:19	#22 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,672	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) Just to clarify, maybe someone could misunderstand, the comment above is not for Dave!! Cheers Nad Well, since I never took a course and am always confused....... Truly: All we're dealing with here is a simple aid to memory for old fashoned VSC. It's hardly anything new, but any simple way to be able to do the math in your head is a worthwhile trick to know. The F02 tolerances cited seem pretty narrow... far narrower than I would worry about. I'm lots more interested in staying concious.... and I'm not gonna dump molecules of 02 into the ocean just "because". Dave __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 30th December 2007 at 18:26.
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30th December 2007, 18:42	#23 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 976	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Gonna light 'em all off at once in my backyard at midnight. That'll make the neighbors wonder about me more than ever... Oh my God, I'm lucky to live at 1000's miles away... Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th December 2007, 19:26	#24 (permalink)
Dsix36 Going Down? Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Deerfield Beach, Florida Posts: 1,062	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question I, for one person, would like to read ALL SCR methods and decide for myself as to which one is best. It is my life - and thus my decision to make. It is not up to someone else to tell me that this way or that way is the best or only option. __________________ THE MORE THAT I LEARN, THE MORE THAT I STILL NEED TO LEARN!!!!!!
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30th December 2007, 19:59	#25 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,672	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) The only one which to me has shed some clarity is the one in DIRrebreather Manual II. It is very simple to calculate and do underwater (not just at home). Which you refuse to articulate, apparently thinking that it's a trade secret, so thanks for contributing nothing at all to the conversation. Red blob sent accordingly for not offering information that might assist one of your peers here to save his life. Sheesh: Do I have to write it myself? These forums are for sharing information. It's not a one-way pipeline. Contribute, or... <innermost thought not published in order to preserve decorum>. Methinks you're not a good shipmate. Dave . __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 30th December 2007 at 20:01.
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30th December 2007, 20:27	#26 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,672	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) I have "offered information that might assist one of my peers here to save his life" - buy and read DIRrebrether Manual II (and DIRrebreather Manual I as well if you are a Newbie). Thanks for the advertisement, and precious little else.... Dave . __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com
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30th December 2007, 20:31	#27 (permalink)
Carl Wern No bubbles no troubles Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Sport Kiss Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Sweden Posts: 44	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question You will not violate any copyright law by discussing a bailout method in your own words, if it was so then every agency, training organisation and instructor would be violating copyright laws daily when discussing dive rellated issues, methodes or facts. My 2 cents. __________________ When you realize that you have so much more to learn, thats when the real learning begins! ........................................... ...............
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30th December 2007, 20:47	#28 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question I am taking bets on how many more pages this discussion will go on between Dave and HMC... $1 / bet closest to the actual post count wins it all... :Wink:
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30th December 2007, 20:55	#29 (permalink)
diverklondike Just one of the Peasants Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,613	SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method Gang, This is a split thread from the CCR Trimix Simplified... Let's try and keep this one on topic... Thanks Mark Rebreather World Staff..
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30th December 2007, 21:10	#30 (permalink)
sunnyboy New Member Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Ladysmith, B.C. Canada Posts: 91	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) I understand your view and I agree with it and with sharing information, but I am not the one who made copyright law and not the one to break it either. Rebreather World T&C do not permit and cannot condone breaching copyright laws either (otherwise RBW as "publisher" gets in trouble). So, your red blob and argument for it is uncalled for. I have "offered information that might assist one of my peers here to save his life" - buy and read DIRrebrether Manual II (and DIRrebreather Manual I as well if you are a Newbie). Hey mate, Happy New Year (and dispose of your old flares appropriately without causing unnecessary alarm or distress to the Coast Guard)! Bullsh!t. Stop hiding behind "copyright law". You are permitted to make short quotes of any published work for the sake of discussion, as long as you cite the original source and as long as it is no more than a few sentences (i.e. you can't quote a whole page). No-one asked you to scan the pages and post PDF's. You were asked to paraphrase the material. It seems apparent (from your own posts) you do not understand the material sufficiently to paraphrase it. So then quote small parts of it with appropriate reference (title, author, publisher, copyright date). Otherwise, you are just a noisy gong (show). -S
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