SCR/VSC as a CCR Bailout Method

**kybrt** · 30th December 2007, 08:28

breach of copyright? nobodys asking you to resell it. we would just like to know the best possible method for staying alive in extreme circumstances.

if its such a revolutionary technique i would think it should be in an open forum for all. Hell Smithers put a whole deco program on the web for free.

**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 12:48

Nobody's asking you to scan it. Use your own words to describe the method so we can discuss it.... in any event it's going to be just another permutation of what we've been doing for years. There's no "rocket science" involved here.

Dave

jiseson · 30th December 2007, 13:22

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Nobody's asking you to scan it. Use your own words to describe the method so we can discuss it.... in any event it's going to be just another permutation of what we've been doing for years. There's no "rocket science" involved here.

Dave

i just read it. seems no diffrent to me than how i was taught or read in other spots. nice book tho.

**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 14:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

So, how would you do SCR bail-out based on your overall knowledge?

You're actually the one being challenged here... you have a 'secret way' in Cedric's book that we cannot discuss because it's not been mooted as a technique. I'm not buying *anything* just to further a discussion. Describe *your* understanding of it for the edification of the assembled masses, please?

Bottom line, and take this the right way please? Publish or Perish.

Dave

**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 16:47

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

I fully see your point, and I hope you will come to an understanding of mine.

Frankly, I don't understand your point at all. All that you've contributed is a plug to send Cedric money so we can decipher the 'secret'. It ain't gonna happen. Hate to burst your bubble, but Cedric's obviously just redone the old VSC method that we've used for years.

Does anyone else have anything to *contribute*?

Dave

Hanssing · 30th December 2007, 16:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

Challenge back to you: How many breaths do you need at each depth on any mix to achieve roughly 1. and 2. above (hint: you really need a formula you can calculate at depth and under stress with the brain of a 6 year old?

If you can figure it out, then problem solved (I do not need to tell you and you do not need to buy the book).

Arrgh, come on!

I've never read any material, but read my post above, its not rocket-science!

Keeping SCR-rate poportional to absolute pressure keeps the FO2 constant!
So the easiest way to prolonge your gas, but without dropping it too much, with a rate a child could figure out would be:
1:1 breath @ 1 ATM (0msw)
2:1 breath @ 2 ATM (10msw)
3:1 breath @ 3 ATM (20msw)

This keeps totalt gas-comsuption eaqual to your SAC AT SURFACE!

How hard can it be?
Someone tell me where the big mystery is, because I sure dont see it?

Regards
Nicolai

Nad · 30th December 2007, 18:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

Does anyone else have anything to *contribute*?

Dave

Beside the fact that it look that HMC (who don't even sign message or tell something of him) is the more confused? NO

I had a look at other threads and posts and I wonder what kind of course did you do if you have so many questions and doubt.

Nad

**Dave Sutton** · 30th December 2007, 18:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

Beside the fact that it look that HMC (who don't even sign message or tell something of him) is the more confused? NO

I had a look at other threads and posts and I wonder what kind of course did you do if you have so many questions and doubt.

Nad

Color me frustrated...... blue in the face in fact!

I'm trying to let our new friend shine with his expertise... to teach us all something new and earth-shattering! ... but all he's done is to "shine us on".

(not sure that'll translate well... it means to "blow off" or "ignore" in our slang...

)

Back to inventorying survival gear for the boat... all of my damned flares expire on Jan 1st. Gonna light 'em all off at once in my backyard at midnight. That'll make the neighbors wonder about me more than ever...

Best,

Dave

.

Nad · 30th December 2007, 18:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC)

P.S. Cedric was very kind to free me up from an entanglement in a cave from amongst other things onto the Evo. buzzer (reason for my personal dislike for such an entanglement point) - so I'd rather "perish" here, but live later!

???? This is the reason because Cedric became your Idol??

I don't know what this comment has to do with the Thread.

You keep writing the same arguments over and over, probably you won't write your divine formula because you don't know it. Otherwise is really simple: ask cedric to publish it underlining the fact that it comes from his manual!!

Nad

Nad · 30th December 2007, 18:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad)

I had a look at other threads and posts and I wonder what kind of course did you do if you have so many questions and doubt.

Nad

Just to clarify, maybe someone could misunderstand, the comment above is not for Dave!!

Cheers

Nad

30th December 2007, 08:28	#11 (permalink)
kybrt too legit to quit Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Neuw Yawk Posts: 336	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question breach of copyright? nobodys asking you to resell it. we would just like to know the best possible method for staying alive in extreme circumstances. if its such a revolutionary technique i would think it should be in an open forum for all. Hell Smithers put a whole deco program on the web for free. __________________ Marv Fidelis Ad Mortem www.diveboatkaren.com Last edited by kybrt : 30th December 2007 at 08:30.
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30th December 2007, 12:48	#12 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,688	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Nobody's asking you to scan it. Use your own words to describe the method so we can discuss it.... in any event it's going to be just another permutation of what we've been doing for years. There's no "rocket science" involved here. Dave __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com
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30th December 2007, 13:22	#13 (permalink)
jiseson DSIX/O2PTIMA Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: long island,ny Posts: 561	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Nobody's asking you to scan it. Use your own words to describe the method so we can discuss it.... in any event it's going to be just another permutation of what we've been doing for years. There's no "rocket science" involved here. Dave i just read it. seems no diffrent to me than how i was taught or read in other spots. nice book tho. __________________ *Jonathan D Iseson*
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30th December 2007, 14:25	#14 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,688	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) So, how would you do SCR bail-out based on your overall knowledge? You're actually the one being challenged here... you have a 'secret way' in Cedric's book that we cannot discuss because it's not been mooted as a technique. I'm not buying anything just to further a discussion. Describe your understanding of it for the edification of the assembled masses, please? Bottom line, and take this the right way please? Publish or Perish. Dave __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com
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30th December 2007, 16:47	#15 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,688	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) I fully see your point, and I hope you will come to an understanding of mine. Frankly, I don't understand your point at all. All that you've contributed is a plug to send Cedric money so we can decipher the 'secret'. It ain't gonna happen. Hate to burst your bubble, but Cedric's obviously just redone the old VSC method that we've used for years. Does anyone else have anything to contribute? Dave __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com
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30th December 2007, 16:55	#16 (permalink)
Hanssing flap-flop ..... flap-flop Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 407	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) Challenge back to you: How many breaths do you need at each depth on any mix to achieve roughly 1. and 2. above (hint: you really need a formula you can calculate at depth and under stress with the brain of a 6 year old? If you can figure it out, then problem solved (I do not need to tell you and you do not need to buy the book). Arrgh, come on! I've never read any material, but read my post above, its not rocket-science! Keeping SCR-rate poportional to absolute pressure keeps the FO2 constant! So the easiest way to prolonge your gas, but without dropping it too much, with a rate a child could figure out would be: 1:1 breath @ 1 ATM (0msw) 2:1 breath @ 2 ATM (10msw) 3:1 breath @ 3 ATM (20msw) This keeps totalt gas-comsuption eaqual to your SAC AT SURFACE! How hard can it be? Someone tell me where the big mystery is, because I sure dont see it? Regards Nicolai __________________ Woohooo - I can change my rEvo! Its going to be bitchin' tricked out piece of gear
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30th December 2007, 18:09	#17 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 980	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) Does anyone else have anything to contribute? Dave Beside the fact that it look that HMC (who don't even sign message or tell something of him) is the more confused? NO I had a look at other threads and posts and I wonder what kind of course did you do if you have so many questions and doubt. Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th December 2007, 18:11	#18 (permalink)
Dave Sutton Diveshop of Horrors Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Azimuth Home Build Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Narragansett, Rhode Island and Hackettstown, New Jersey Posts: 2,688	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) Beside the fact that it look that HMC (who don't even sign message or tell something of him) is the more confused? NO I had a look at other threads and posts and I wonder what kind of course did you do if you have so many questions and doubt. Nad Color me frustrated...... blue in the face in fact! I'm trying to let our new friend shine with his expertise... to teach us all something new and earth-shattering! ... but all he's done is to "shine us on". (not sure that'll translate well... it means to "blow off" or "ignore" in our slang... ) Back to inventorying survival gear for the boat... all of my damned flares expire on Jan 1st. Gonna light 'em all off at once in my backyard at midnight. That'll make the neighbors wonder about me more than ever... Best, Dave . __________________ "Changes in Lattitudes, Changes in Attitudes, Nothing remains quite the same".... www.nobubblediving.com Last edited by Dave Sutton : 30th December 2007 at 18:16.
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30th December 2007, 18:12	#19 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 980	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by HMC) P.S. Cedric was very kind to free me up from an entanglement in a cave from amongst other things onto the Evo. buzzer (reason for my personal dislike for such an entanglement point) - so I'd rather "perish" here, but live later! ???? This is the reason because Cedric became your Idol?? I don't know what this comment has to do with the Thread. You keep writing the same arguments over and over, probably you won't write your divine formula because you don't know it. Otherwise is really simple: ask cedric to publish it underlining the fact that it comes from his manual!! Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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30th December 2007, 18:15	#20 (permalink)
Nad Rebel to the Bone Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Europe Posts: 980	Re: CCR Trimix Simplified by Mel Clark question Quote: (Originally Posted by Nad) I had a look at other threads and posts and I wonder what kind of course did you do if you have so many questions and doubt. Nad Just to clarify, maybe someone could misunderstand, the comment above is not for Dave!! Cheers Nad __________________ The Impossible is often the Untried
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