ccr used for rescue/recovery missions.

Solitude Diver · 1st December 2007, 05:35

Awesome job guys.
Glad it was his friends that found him.
It has been a long (and at times ugly) week.
I hope this will bring closure to you, his girlfriend/family, and all other friends.
Peace to you all.

**wedivebc** · 1st December 2007, 05:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer)

Remember when we were diving on the HMCS Saskatchewan with the RCMP dive team last October,

RCMP can't go where we went

Solitude Diver · 1st December 2007, 06:16

Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan)

It was agreed that once we located the diver, we would back off and let the RCMP dive team do the recovery, as they had protocols that needed to be followed.

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

RCMP can't go where we went

So, out of curiosity, have they indicated how they plan on getting in there to do the recovery?

**wedivebc** · 1st December 2007, 13:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Solitude Diver)

So, out of curiosity, have they indicated how they plan on getting in there to do the recovery?

They are going to survey the situation today but I suspect they will end up calling in the military who are trained to go into deco. I can see no way to complete that work on NDL dives.

Solitude Diver · 1st December 2007, 14:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

They are going to survey the situation today but I suspect they will end up calling in the military who are trained to go into deco. I can see no way to complete that work on NDL dives.

Thanks Dave (and for all of the updates along the way too-on all of the boards).

I'm sure there is a good reason for not calling in the military in the first place, but it is not apparent given the current info. If they have trained tec divers, why has it taken so long to get them out there? It has been a week now. I assume there are none in the area or is it some sort of red-tape/protocol type problem?

**wedivebc** · 1st December 2007, 14:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by Solitude Diver)

Thanks Dave (and for all of the updates along the way too-on all of the boards).

I'm sure there is a good reason for not calling in the military in the first place, but it is not apparent given the current info. If they have trained tec divers, why has it taken so long to get them out there? It has been a week now. I assume there are none in the area or is it some sort of red-tape/protocol type problem?

This is fortunately not a common occurance. The protocols that are in place probably work in most situation. We were able to prove our usefulness in such a situation to the RCMP and after the debrief last night they said "we have your phone numbers and were not going to lose them"

sensor330 · 1st December 2007, 15:46

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

RCMP can't go where we went

It will probably take them a couple of dives but I am confident that they'll get him out today now that he is found. I feel bad for not for not bringing him to a easier to reach location. But on the other hand I still feel that I made the right decision not to.

**wedivebc** · 1st December 2007, 16:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330)

It will probably take them a couple of dive but I am confident that they'll get him out today now that he is found. I feel bad for not for not bringing him to a easier to reach location. But on the other hand hand I still feel that I made the decision not to.

I wouldn't feel bad Scott. I think the Rebreather team did their job that we were best suited for and the surface supply team will do what they are best suited for. The huffing and puffing that goes on with that kind of work is not something I would want to do on a rebreather.
Thanks again for your efforts Scott. Ron and I were commenting this morning how well everyone performed as a team. We made a plan, stuck by our plan and showed results. It could not have gone any better under the circumstances.

mountain diver · 1st December 2007, 16:29

job well done lads. to the families involved may you find rest and closure
knowing your loved one is coming home.

In the original post I ask the question about ccr in rescue/recovery missions
I still believe it is a valid idea,however for use in coast guard/RCMP or any
other goverment agency,there seems to be two problems involved.

First, Funding for send training is not there yet for the men and women
who would like to do this kind of work,or provide service.
I know personally three men who are more then qualified to do such recovery
missions, who paid for their own training out of their pockets.
One with RCMP,two with EPS.

Second, the training.It was not developed by that agency for the people of that
agency.( no cross over yet.) it doesn't line up with their protocols.

So, it would seem at the moment the job is left to those individuals who
are qualified and are available to provide such a service, contractor or otherwise.

all the best.

sensor330 · 1st December 2007, 16:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by mountain diver)

job well done lads. to the families involved may you find rest and closure
knowing your loved one is coming home.

In the original post I ask the question about ccr in rescue/recovery missions
I still believe it is a valid idea,however for use in coast guard/RCMP or any
other goverment agency,there seems to be two problems involved.

First, Funding for send training is not there yet for the men and women
who would like to do this kind of work,or provide service.
I know personally three men who are more then qualified to do such recovery
missions, who paid for their own training out of their pockets.
One with RCMP,two with EPS.

Second, the training.It was not developed by that agency for the people of that
agency.( no cross over yet.) it doesn't line up with their protocols.

So, it would seem at the moment the job is left to those individuals who
are qualified and are available to provide such a service, contractor or otherwise.

all the best.

I know CG is trained on entering over turned vessels. They are usually only used for for rescue not recovery. The RCMP gets involved when a recovery needs to take place. I feel that they are adequately trained and all they really need to do now is get the approval to conduct deco dives. Personally and as a professional navy diver I believe that while Rebreather are excellent tools for such mission I feel in most cases surface supply is the best way to conduct recovery operation. What has to be remembered is that a recovery mission is not a emergency and therefore the most important factor is the safety to the recovery team.

As to the most recent incident mentioned above I think it was a excellent opportunity for the local divers to assist the authorities and hope they will keep us in mind if something like this happens again.

Scott

1st December 2007, 05:35	#11 (permalink)
Solitude Diver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 36	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Awesome job guys. Glad it was his friends that found him. It has been a long (and at times ugly) week. I hope this will bring closure to you, his girlfriend/family, and all other friends. Peace to you all. Last edited by Solitude Diver : 1st December 2007 at 05:53.
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1st December 2007, 05:57	#12 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,447	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by Explorer) Remember when we were diving on the HMCS Saskatchewan with the RCMP dive team last October, RCMP can't go where we went __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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1st December 2007, 06:16	#13 (permalink)
Solitude Diver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 36	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by RonMicjan) It was agreed that once we located the diver, we would back off and let the RCMP dive team do the recovery, as they had protocols that needed to be followed. Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) RCMP can't go where we went So, out of curiosity, have they indicated how they plan on getting in there to do the recovery?
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1st December 2007, 13:58	#14 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,447	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by Solitude Diver) So, out of curiosity, have they indicated how they plan on getting in there to do the recovery? They are going to survey the situation today but I suspect they will end up calling in the military who are trained to go into deco. I can see no way to complete that work on NDL dives. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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1st December 2007, 14:13	#15 (permalink)
Solitude Diver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 36	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) They are going to survey the situation today but I suspect they will end up calling in the military who are trained to go into deco. I can see no way to complete that work on NDL dives. Thanks Dave (and for all of the updates along the way too-on all of the boards). I'm sure there is a good reason for not calling in the military in the first place, but it is not apparent given the current info. If they have trained tec divers, why has it taken so long to get them out there? It has been a week now. I assume there are none in the area or is it some sort of red-tape/protocol type problem?
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1st December 2007, 14:25	#16 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,447	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by Solitude Diver) Thanks Dave (and for all of the updates along the way too-on all of the boards). I'm sure there is a good reason for not calling in the military in the first place, but it is not apparent given the current info. If they have trained tec divers, why has it taken so long to get them out there? It has been a week now. I assume there are none in the area or is it some sort of red-tape/protocol type problem? This is fortunately not a common occurance. The protocols that are in place probably work in most situation. We were able to prove our usefulness in such a situation to the RCMP and after the debrief last night they said "we have your phone numbers and were not going to lose them" __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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1st December 2007, 15:46	#17 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 581	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) RCMP can't go where we went It will probably take them a couple of dives but I am confident that they'll get him out today now that he is found. I feel bad for not for not bringing him to a easier to reach location. But on the other hand I still feel that I made the right decision not to. Last edited by sensor330 : 1st December 2007 at 16:11.
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1st December 2007, 16:09	#18 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,447	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by sensor330) It will probably take them a couple of dive but I am confident that they'll get him out today now that he is found. I feel bad for not for not bringing him to a easier to reach location. But on the other hand hand I still feel that I made the decision not to. I wouldn't feel bad Scott. I think the Rebreather team did their job that we were best suited for and the surface supply team will do what they are best suited for. The huffing and puffing that goes on with that kind of work is not something I would want to do on a rebreather. Thanks again for your efforts Scott. Ron and I were commenting this morning how well everyone performed as a team. We made a plan, stuck by our plan and showed results. It could not have gone any better under the circumstances. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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1st December 2007, 16:29	#19 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 209	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. job well done lads. to the families involved may you find rest and closure knowing your loved one is coming home. In the original post I ask the question about ccr in rescue/recovery missions I still believe it is a valid idea,however for use in coast guard/RCMP or any other goverment agency,there seems to be two problems involved. First, Funding for send training is not there yet for the men and women who would like to do this kind of work,or provide service. I know personally three men who are more then qualified to do such recovery missions, who paid for their own training out of their pockets. One with RCMP,two with EPS. Second, the training.It was not developed by that agency for the people of that agency.( no cross over yet.) it doesn't line up with their protocols. So, it would seem at the moment the job is left to those individuals who are qualified and are available to provide such a service, contractor or otherwise. all the best.
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1st December 2007, 16:53	#20 (permalink)
sensor330 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Victoria, British Columbia, Canada Posts: 581	Re: ccr used for rescue/recovery missions. Quote: (Originally Posted by mountain diver) job well done lads. to the families involved may you find rest and closure knowing your loved one is coming home. In the original post I ask the question about ccr in rescue/recovery missions I still believe it is a valid idea,however for use in coast guard/RCMP or any other goverment agency,there seems to be two problems involved. First, Funding for send training is not there yet for the men and women who would like to do this kind of work,or provide service. I know personally three men who are more then qualified to do such recovery missions, who paid for their own training out of their pockets. One with RCMP,two with EPS. Second, the training.It was not developed by that agency for the people of that agency.( no cross over yet.) it doesn't line up with their protocols. So, it would seem at the moment the job is left to those individuals who are qualified and are available to provide such a service, contractor or otherwise. all the best. I know CG is trained on entering over turned vessels. They are usually only used for for rescue not recovery. The RCMP gets involved when a recovery needs to take place. I feel that they are adequately trained and all they really need to do now is get the approval to conduct deco dives. Personally and as a professional navy diver I believe that while Rebreather are excellent tools for such mission I feel in most cases surface supply is the best way to conduct recovery operation. What has to be remembered is that a recovery mission is not a emergency and therefore the most important factor is the safety to the recovery team. As to the most recent incident mentioned above I think it was a excellent opportunity for the local divers to assist the authorities and hope they will keep us in mind if something like this happens again. Scott
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