CCR Cross Over Training

***jradomski*** · 21st November 2007, 11:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

One of the problems we face in the UK is it is actually illegal to dive a non CE rebreather when teaching. It makes the "I wear what my students wear" very difficult!!

just a thought!

Dave

Dave see post #52..

Same on same is not mandatory (because of CE) but recommended when allowed.. But the instructor must still be able to dive the unit to maintain proficiency - hecnce the "ownership" requirement.. If the instructor doesnt dive the righ they should not teach the rig..

***jradomski*** · 21st November 2007, 11:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB)

Is that 300US/day or 300US/day and person?

/Jonny

if its one person I'll take the $300 because I enjoy teaching.. If a group comes to me, there are additional charges (discount varies by program and location) so the overall "daily" rate is less than 300/perday/student.. If I fill the class myself its per day per student..

Dutchy · 21st November 2007, 13:40

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

Mark, perhaps a poll on the people that did a cross-over course on the rEvo ?? total 3 and a half day

paul

Quote: (Originally Posted by henckell)

Agree totally! This is the only reason a lot of people don't exchange and buy other units. It is slowing down the rebreather manufacturer's market.

I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss.

paulraymaekers · 21st November 2007, 16:51

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss.

.. just a matter of time...

paul

***jradomski*** · 21st November 2007, 16:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss.

Resistance is Futile!

decoweenie · 21st November 2007, 18:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

.. just a matter of time...

... before some rEvo units available on 2nd-hand market with no training requirement...

paulraymaekers · 21st November 2007, 19:38

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

... before some rEvo units available on 2nd-hand market with no training requirement...

... seems you have to act fast to get one ... and even then the buyers take a class

paul

paulraymaekers · 22nd November 2007, 10:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

taking a $1500 dollar course in 2 dives on one day (with a nearly unchanged course price).

find a better instructor :-)

paul

Dutchy · 22nd November 2007, 12:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers)

find a better instructor :-)

paul

I won't. I started out with this post... It wouldn't add to my credibility if I would, would it?

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss.

All the joking aside I still haven't understood why manufactures let agencies slow down the upgrade path for existing divers. I guess this is one of my "dense" days...

diverklondike · 22nd November 2007, 12:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy)

All the joking aside I still haven't understood why manufactures let agencies slow down the upgrade path for existing divers. I guess this is one of my "dense" days...

Here are two good reasons...

1) For the most part when it comes to new units there is a backlog of demand. The net is that there are no new Inspirations/Evolutions, Optimas, Sentinals and or HH CCRs sitting on the shelf waiting for new owners.

2) The MFG's feel it's more important to have proprerly trained divers using their units.

Dive Safe...

Mark

21st November 2007, 11:38	#31 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,011	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) One of the problems we face in the UK is it is actually illegal to dive a non CE rebreather when teaching. It makes the "I wear what my students wear" very difficult!! just a thought! Dave Dave see post #52.. Same on same is not mandatory (because of CE) but recommended when allowed.. But the instructor must still be able to dive the unit to maintain proficiency - hecnce the "ownership" requirement.. If the instructor doesnt dive the righ they should not teach the rig.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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21st November 2007, 11:48	#32 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,011	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by JonnyB) Is that 300US/day or 300US/day and person? /Jonny if its one person I'll take the $300 because I enjoy teaching.. If a group comes to me, there are additional charges (discount varies by program and location) so the overall "daily" rate is less than 300/perday/student.. If I fill the class myself its per day per student.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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21st November 2007, 13:40	#33 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 770	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) Mark, perhaps a poll on the people that did a cross-over course on the rEvo ?? total 3 and a half day paul Quote: (Originally Posted by henckell) Agree totally! This is the only reason a lot of people don't exchange and buy other units. It is slowing down the rebreather manufacturer's market. I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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21st November 2007, 16:51	#34 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,508	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss. .. just a matter of time... paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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21st November 2007, 16:54	#35 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,011	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss. Resistance is Futile! __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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21st November 2007, 18:52	#36 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) .. just a matter of time... ... before some rEvo units available on 2nd-hand market with no training requirement...
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21st November 2007, 19:38	#37 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,508	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) ... before some rEvo units available on 2nd-hand market with no training requirement... ... seems you have to act fast to get one ... and even then the buyers take a class paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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22nd November 2007, 10:31	#38 (permalink)
paulraymaekers rEvo's daddy Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: belgium Posts: 1,508	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) taking a $1500 dollar course in 2 dives on one day (with a nearly unchanged course price). find a better instructor :-) paul __________________ www.rEvo-rebreathers.com .... the earth is flat, Elvis is alive, and radial scrubbers give longer dwell time than axials...
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22nd November 2007, 12:18	#39 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 770	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by paulraymaekers) find a better instructor :-) paul I won't. I started out with this post... It wouldn't add to my credibility if I would, would it? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) I'm afraid you're all to much right about this. I fancy an mccr rEvo but will stick to my Sport Kiss. All the joking aside I still haven't understood why manufactures let agencies slow down the upgrade path for existing divers. I guess this is one of my "dense" days... __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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22nd November 2007, 12:42	#40 (permalink)
diverklondike Just one of the Peasants Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,614	Re: HammerHead CCR Training Quote: (Originally Posted by Dutchy) All the joking aside I still haven't understood why manufactures let agencies slow down the upgrade path for existing divers. I guess this is one of my "dense" days... Here are two good reasons... 1) For the most part when it comes to new units there is a backlog of demand. The net is that there are no new Inspirations/Evolutions, Optimas, Sentinals and or HH CCRs sitting on the shelf waiting for new owners. 2) The MFG's feel it's more important to have proprerly trained divers using their units. Dive Safe... Mark
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