CCR Cross Over Training

If you never met paul you dont have a sense for the guy, and such a statement is pretty f**ked up to make in a vaccum. And for the record if they busted balls in an owsi class like they did to sutton, we would have a LOT fewer scuba instructors. .

The way i see it there are two kinds of people, those who have actually physically seen their friends die diving, and those that have not.
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all manuf. who require cert b/c they want to keep us alive are full of bs.


therefore if we perform a simple ab reductio the above is not true to my thinking.

Your client might die any second by doing zillion of other things like walking across the street at wrong time. C'mon, we are adults here. We can decide ourself what is acceptable risk level for ourself in this life (which we do every day while making multiple choices during a day) and which should be in our hands, not some "industry" who wont be responsible anyways no matter what happened to you (and vigorously try to make you write waivers for such too). Which is it? You take responsibility or you want waiver?

Sell it as plumbing parts for any adult wishing to do so or just "parts". Scuba diving with or without rebreather is still not something we need a license in this part of the world so I fail to see why manufacturers are trying to pull it out as "I would not sleep well" kinda BS. If you or any other manufacturer truly is that sensitive/emotionally attached to their clients, I personally think they are in wrong business because face it, people WILL die.

Will they die because of lack of "official c-card", lack of training or just because it was their time to go (heart attack) or perhaps even because part in rebreather failed? Who knows? Having wallet full of C-cards or being expert rebreather diver does not seem to make you less prone to fatal accident according to that PDF, actually opposite looks to be true.

I have done my share of "recreational" training. After OWD I have always thought them to be good value too and so I have gladly paid for them too BUT it was always my choice to do so. Nobody was under water to stop me going past 18m few years ago and I doubt there will be anyone stopping me diving rebreather either, card or no card.

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Training good. Forced BS bad. IF your training is good, people will pay for it without the need to have policy to do so. That is also only way to see if its worth the value it has printed on the "course fee" section or not dont you agree?

A cross over course, on a 'man to man' basis , for an experienced CCR diver, that can be done in 2.5 days, can never be seen as a full course. One confined session and 4 dives, the standard for a cross over (min 150 minutes in water time), is not a full course at all!

Lets run the logic;

I've seen people die diving.
All the people I've seen die diving were certified (rebreather) divers
Therefore
Lets enforce certification because certified divers die?
HMMMM

In general it seems to work like this;
Those who make money from certification (Instructors through doing it, Manufacturers through avoiding liability) like it, those who have to pay the money don't. Certification has, at best, no impact on accident rates.

Pretty simple

Mike

If you dont get trained on it and die using it will your estate re emburse Paul any and all lost revenue from drop in sales due to bad publicity? Im guessing not.