RAID Training Agency (?)

caveseeker7

Okay, that RAID training has come up in regards to both the PoCisdon Disco and C2R Sentinel rebreathers.

Some 4-step program to dive a CCR to 40m/no deco as far as I can tell.

Can anyone shed some light on this?

What is RAID, what does it stand for?
Where did it come from, where is it based out of?
Is RAID the training agency, or a training system/class structure?
Who are the instructors?
If not an agency, who supports it?
What are they going to teach on each of those 4 steps?

I asume for the Sentinel "normal" training will be available, considering Kevin's relation with IANTD, the units availability of Level 2 and Level 3 systems, as well as the many features shared with the Ouroboros for which there is a solid instructor infrastructure. Any idea if you will be able to train Sentinel divers, Dave?

Joe, ANDI offers training on the Ouroboros. Will they offer Sentinel training?

Any "normal" ANDI, IANTD, TDI training available for the Disco, or just the RAID?

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Decodiver

Hi Stefan,

I will be offering Sentinel training following my Instructor Crossover in the Red Sea in March 2008.

As for RAID, I know nothing about that at the moment.

Cheers,

Dave.

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peter

At the preview at Poseidon 3 weeks ago, Barry Coleman presented the new training agency, RAID. RAID | Rebreather Association Of International Divers

RAID will train non divers to dive rebreathers from the beginning, like PADI OW, AOW, Rescue. That explains the four step training program. He also said the Poseidon Mk6 and C2R Sentinel (Level 1) will have the same training course.

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caveseeker7

Dave, I consider that good news.

Peter, thanks for the link, not much there yet, but at least I know it's another agency.

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Nad

Another one, in a couple of year we will have more agencies than divers...

Nad

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Bobnob

Nice web site , just how i like them

debersole

Stefan:

I spent some time at the RAID booth at DEMA. Like mentioned above, there is a four step process. The prospective student goes to their site and signs up ($100 fee). They are then connected with an authorized dive shop and an authorized instructor. The student completes the academics online with the progress available to their instructor. Once they have completed the online academics they contact the instructor who arranges pool and open water training through the dive shop. The initial triaining is on a universal CCR from Poseidon. The students get certification in Open water diver, Nitrox, and recreational CCR diving. RAID's plan is to coordinate with another agency (possibly TDI?) for certifications and with multiple CCR companies for the later stages of training. It looks interesting, but (as always) the devil is in the details. I'm keeping my eyes open.

Doug

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MarkZ

Let me see if I understand this;

Pay $100 and get hooked up with a dive shop and open water training via the internet

After finishing playing on the web you go to a pool and then to open water certs.

All this training is done on a rebreather???

This idea is coming from people who have completely forgotten what it is to have open water students. Today I had 2 educated professionals who were on their ow cert dives put their tanks on backwards. This is after being shown the correct way not less then 5 times in pool sessions and twice in a classroom.

I would suggest that this is the most foolish new idea I have heard in quite a while if it were not for the fact that it isn't a new idea. This concept has been batted around and laughed down for years. All I can see if this takes off is nightmares too numerous to list. There are still dive facilities and charters who even now do not allow rebreathers and it was only less the 4 years ago that almost none would in the area even after all the required training. Now it is being proposed that all the experience requirements to date are not necessary and that one really only needs the equivilent of an open water course. Talk about giving the enemy ammunition!

I was suspect early on of the hype of this unit. My suspicions were confirmed by a good number of people who actually saw the unit and the word toy came up in most conversations. Furthermore to suggest that to dive it all previous training requirments are no longer necessary is absurd. I thought the general idea was all to work together to reduce the one a month fatality rate. With all due respect to the principals of this organization I think that somebody put the wrong kind of mushrooms on their pizza.

caveseeker7

Thanks for your reply, Doug, much appreciated.

Personally I don't see that training succeed with units where you actually need skills to survive a failure, hence I doubt most manufacturers will sign on to that aproach. That PoCisdon better be without the usual hick-ups new units seem to have.

About the other agencies I don't know, but unless they either change their standards or openly admit they don't care about them (rather than just disregard them) I don't see it happening. Am curious to see how they will handle their instructors signing up there and handing out c-cards to people that wouldn't qualify under their own to dive rebreathers.

Do you know their requirements for instructors?

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paulraymaekers

got some strange conversation at my boot at DEMA: a girl with a RAID badge came asking what the minimum standards were when training was given by ANDI, how everything was arranged, what prereq was to become an instructor etc..
she was no rebreatherdiver at all, did not have a clu about breathers...

she touke (?? :-) plenty of notes on her papers!!

but seems she was going for becoming instructor or something..

regards
paul

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