SCR training necessary?

markhomeier · 7th November 2007, 13:12

Just to see what everyone thinks on the issue of self training for SCR. I have the option of getting either IANDT Technical diver or normoxic trimix diver or SCR training while on vacation in Feb but not two. I already have ADV nitrox and deco... These things look pretty simple and the training manual is very easy to understand.. am I crazy to think it would be easier to train on it myself in a pool and get the better fundamentals training when I can?

If This is a stupid question then don't worry I haven't jumped in yet...

Mark

jhaaja · 7th November 2007, 13:19

Get trained!

Rebreathers can kill you in various ways, ways that you can not even think of. You might be able to breathe but that does not guarantee anything...

JH

4ster · 7th November 2007, 13:31

As part of training my instructor had information that was not in the manual. That added considerably to the value of the course.

Everyone has different learning styles but I find I do better with both a text book and one on one training to make sure I get all the key concepts.

AMW · 7th November 2007, 13:51

I think it you can teach yourself , you need to do the ground work first. I started with an SCR and slowly gained experience (with another diver following the same route). When I was happy I then used varying bits to build my own mCCR this was not as a cut price route to a mCCR but because I wanted to understand every part of it. In reality it has cost me more than an off the shelf Rebreather, with some off the shelf bits and some custom bits built to my requirements.

It is down to how confident you feel in doing it this way, do not do it to save money. Yes an instructor can show you how to dive an Rebreather more quickly than a DIY route, but some times you learn more by having to make the effort to do a full amount of back ground reading self training dives etc.

These are my thoughts and I am sure some will disagree.

Andrew.

gibbogeo · 7th November 2007, 15:25

You can learn by yourself, but it will take a very long time before you get the same experience an instructor can pass you in a course.

And some of the mistake you can make have very bad results.

An instructor, a valid one, with experience and competent, will shorten the learning time avoiding you to take unnecessary risk.

And what course to choose, trimix or SCR, it depends on what you want to do underwater, only you can decide.

CCRDVR · 7th November 2007, 16:37

Mark,
Should you decide to self train yourself on SCR's, please feel free to do so. However you should be sure that your life insurance is upto date and your family will be taken care of before you die... er dive.

PaulTG2 · 7th November 2007, 16:54

Hello,

Two ways of learning from the past are to learn from your own mistakes and to learn from the mistakes of others.

A good instructor, experienced on your unit and others, will pass on the critical wisdom leaned from their own mistakes and the mistakes of many others they have passed along the way. These critical lessons are not in the instruction books -- although many can be found in the tens of thousands of postings in online resources such as Rebreather World, and "in-depth" specialty books.

I tell you, there has been a substantial impact on my learning as I listened to my instructor recall experience in the past where a good friend didn't do "X" on a dive... and died. The pain and longing in the eyes of my instructor seared those lesson forever into my brain. Knowing that those where highly experienced and skilled divers kept me from falling into the "it can't happen to me" syndrome.

Considering the potential consequences of mistakes in rebreather diving, I'd rather learn as much as I can from others before launching out to learn from my own mistakes.

AMW · 7th November 2007, 16:56

Quote:

However you should be sure that your life insurance is upto date and your family will be taken care of before you die... er dive.

I hope we can keep this to offering advise with out emotive statements.
there are a large number of Rebreather divers who are self taught and a lot of those have built their own re breathers. We do not have noticeable fatality's from these divers. If you do take the self taught/trained route then it needs to be approached with caution. The divers from this route are generally very well versed in what they do (my self excepted

).

As with all things you make your own choice this is what freedom is about. Of course that includes the right to fail

Andrew.

7th November 2007, 13:12	#1 (permalink)
markhomeier New Member Current Rebreather/s: Ray Other Rebreather/s: Ray Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: taipei Posts: 13	SCR training necessary? Just to see what everyone thinks on the issue of self training for SCR. I have the option of getting either IANDT Technical diver or normoxic trimix diver or SCR training while on vacation in Feb but not two. I already have ADV nitrox and deco... These things look pretty simple and the training manual is very easy to understand.. am I crazy to think it would be easier to train on it myself in a pool and get the better fundamentals training when I can? If This is a stupid question then don't worry I haven't jumped in yet... Mark
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7th November 2007, 13:19	#2 (permalink)
jhaaja Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 885	Re: SCR training necessary? Get trained! Rebreathers can kill you in various ways, ways that you can not even think of. You might be able to breathe but that does not guarantee anything... JH
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7th November 2007, 13:31	#3 (permalink)
4ster Steve Sprague Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Arlington, Washington Posts: 302	Re: SCR training necessary? As part of training my instructor had information that was not in the manual. That added considerably to the value of the course. Everyone has different learning styles but I find I do better with both a text book and one on one training to make sure I get all the key concepts. __________________ Steve "My problem is that I have trouble reconciling my gross habits with my net income." Errol Flynn
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7th November 2007, 13:51	#4 (permalink)
AMW Andrew Martin Ward Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cam ,Glos, England Posts: 173	Re: SCR training necessary? I think it you can teach yourself , you need to do the ground work first. I started with an SCR and slowly gained experience (with another diver following the same route). When I was happy I then used varying bits to build my own mCCR this was not as a cut price route to a mCCR but because I wanted to understand every part of it. In reality it has cost me more than an off the shelf Rebreather, with some off the shelf bits and some custom bits built to my requirements. It is down to how confident you feel in doing it this way, do not do it to save money. Yes an instructor can show you how to dive an Rebreather more quickly than a DIY route, but some times you learn more by having to make the effort to do a full amount of back ground reading self training dives etc. These are my thoughts and I am sure some will disagree. Andrew. __________________ AMW Blog (very poor effort :-) http://a-m-ward.blogspot.com/ http://amward.myblogsite.com/ Lot ,France cave diving sites and area resources. www.lot46.com Caving and cave diving photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/amward/
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7th November 2007, 15:25	#5 (permalink)
gibbogeo Gilberto Bonaga, Italy Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: italy Posts: 332	Re: SCR training necessary? You can learn by yourself, but it will take a very long time before you get the same experience an instructor can pass you in a course. And some of the mistake you can make have very bad results. An instructor, a valid one, with experience and competent, will shorten the learning time avoiding you to take unnecessary risk. And what course to choose, trimix or SCR, it depends on what you want to do underwater, only you can decide.
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7th November 2007, 16:37	#6 (permalink)
CCRDVR New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Annapolis, Maryland Posts: 77	Re: SCR training necessary? Mark, Should you decide to self train yourself on SCR's, please feel free to do so. However you should be sure that your life insurance is upto date and your family will be taken care of before you die... er dive.
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7th November 2007, 16:54	#7 (permalink)
PaulTG2 RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 517	Re: SCR training necessary? Hello, Two ways of learning from the past are to learn from your own mistakes and to learn from the mistakes of others. A good instructor, experienced on your unit and others, will pass on the critical wisdom leaned from their own mistakes and the mistakes of many others they have passed along the way. These critical lessons are not in the instruction books -- although many can be found in the tens of thousands of postings in online resources such as Rebreather World, and "in-depth" specialty books. I tell you, there has been a substantial impact on my learning as I listened to my instructor recall experience in the past where a good friend didn't do "X" on a dive... and died. The pain and longing in the eyes of my instructor seared those lesson forever into my brain. Knowing that those where highly experienced and skilled divers kept me from falling into the "it can't happen to me" syndrome. Considering the potential consequences of mistakes in rebreather diving, I'd rather learn as much as I can from others before launching out to learn from my own mistakes.
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7th November 2007, 16:56	#8 (permalink)
AMW Andrew Martin Ward Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cam ,Glos, England Posts: 173	Re: SCR training necessary? Quote: However you should be sure that your life insurance is upto date and your family will be taken care of before you die... er dive. I hope we can keep this to offering advise with out emotive statements. there are a large number of Rebreather divers who are self taught and a lot of those have built their own re breathers. We do not have noticeable fatality's from these divers. If you do take the self taught/trained route then it needs to be approached with caution. The divers from this route are generally very well versed in what they do (my self excepted ). As with all things you make your own choice this is what freedom is about. Of course that includes the right to fail Andrew. __________________ AMW Blog (very poor effort :-) http://a-m-ward.blogspot.com/ http://amward.myblogsite.com/ Lot ,France cave diving sites and area resources. www.lot46.com Caving and cave diving photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/amward/
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