Training agencies not policing their instructors

Nad

No, is a load of $$$ incoming for the agencies!!

Nad

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dave-diving

For the sake of getting off thread and putting all back onto the thread....

Narcosis Management is about showing you how to cope with air from 30-60 metres and recognising the effect but still being able to record valuable information. It is designed to give the user a limit in whatever they do. Bailout to air at 40m and you know what air is likely to be like. It is not about building resistance to narcosis - far from it. The course builds from 30-60 in 5m increments and the 73m you speak of is only available with Hal Watts at 40 Fathom Grotto, nowhere else in the world.

When you go to Trimix you can then say to yourself that air was not good at depth of XXX and I will avoid its use as a bailout below this depth if I ever have to resort to its use. Personal choice.

On the bad instructor front....All agencies wish to gain feedback on bad instructors and they do follow up. I even got a 30 minute critisism from one diver about a particular instructor who was nothing to do with the agency I represent but it was passed on to the relevant person and was dealt with.

Try feeding back and see what happens...we always follow up in PSAI to get all sides of a story,good or bad! The good feedback will elevate the good instructors and word of mouth is so powerful these days the bad ones soon realise they have to change or leave.

Certain names are no longer with certain agencies - we watch the sites and follow up, believe me!

Dave

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crazyoctopus

A friend has just completed his Draeger Ray scr course with a TDI IT having completed only 2 openwater dives.

I spoke to the IT who advised me he was able to use discression..........

So any one looking for a shortened TDI course up to CCR Mod 3 instructor level or any open circuit courses I know just the cowboy for you to waste your money with.

Comments please.

Freef

Is the course a 'skills demonstration' type to qualify, or a 'time and dives' type?

If the trainee is very competent and can do all the skills on dive 1 [there are less SCR skills than CCR skills] and dive 2 is to see if they are happy in the water then, apart from extra in water time, is there a need for the extra dives?

If the agency insists in a certain number of dives [and hours] on the unit then the instructor may have broken standards. I would check with TDI's office or another instructor-or the web if the course information is listed-and go from there.

PADI's Dolphin course is still 4 dives as far as I am aware. All my skills were done on dive 1 and the rest were for building familiarity and confidence.

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Andy Barker APS

HI,
with all types of training not just diving you will only be as good
the trainer. I am very lucky that I have used the same instructor
for all my scuba training & will be using the same for my CCR
soon. On my SCR training I did four open water dives & three closed
water dives. Now I look at gaining hours on the unit. My instructor
has been excellent with all my training & I have wrote to my training
agency to tell them. But I am aware that not all instructors are so
thorough, if you think you are getting a raw deal you have to complain
& stop using that instructor. We have all dived with divers with qualifications
but wondered how they got them . But remember safe diving & dive safely.

Andy

Doppler

And I'd suggest you send that information to Stephen Phillips (TDI UK) so that there can be some sort of review of the class you mentioned.

ALL agencies rely on random QA surveys to help them police instruction and to get some feedback on the way standards are followed... or not. This is neither full proof nor is it incorruptible, but it is the only practical solution available to us at the moment. It is more robust when backed up by unsolicited input from students and other divers. If you know standards have been broken, don't whine about it here, contact the relevant training department and make a noise... enough of a comment for you?

bambang

In SE Asia, there are a lot of instructors that teaches Courses in English even though they do not speak English very well ( From HK,Europe etc...) THe students ended up confused after the course, yet they still get a c card.

I just dont understand how can people learn Expedition Trimix penetration wreck CCR with only sign language.

In my humble opinion, agencies should insist that instructors take TOEFL test and maintain minimu score of 550 if they wanna teach in English...

decoweenie

If that's the case, based on what I have read from some of the posts here, a lot of the English-speakers wouldn't past...

sadave

Shouldn't that be "wouldn't pass"?

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decoweenie

Exactly, case in point...