GUE or IANTD Technical training

markhomeier

Hello everyone,

This question isn't about the rebreather training specifically but I will be getting my technical dive certification this winter and I wonder what everyone thinks about IANTD vs. GUE training for technical divers...?
I dive a little Drager Ray now but the future could hold anything....

Thanks!

Mark

Nad

Is better looking for a good instructor then, eventually for the agency.

Nad

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Bobnob

Gue and rebreathers for the grate un washed ,



DIR Diving try this lot , thay will talk all day about GUE / DIR

DaveC

I'd look at the instructor, this will make the difference not the agency. All agencies have minimal standards and some instructors seem to only go this level and do just minimal. Another suggestion I might make is to maybe look at a couple different instructors as each have their own teaching style. Also ask the instructors what kind of personal diving they do and how ofter. There's a reason for that saying "those that do don't teach and those that teach don't do"

Anyway, good luck in finding a instructor that feels right for you, which ever agency you go with.

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Martin Burnard

GUE only do the RB80 as an acceptable rebreather. To do your RB80 traininig you must do Fundamentals, Tech1, Tech2, Tech3. There is no cross over acceptance.

So a long road. Skills level enforced is very high (some say ridiculous,but your call).

Check out the requirements for the above.

A direct link which may help

RB80 course - DIR Explorers

netmage

Current GUE website lists Tech 2 (or equiv) as the requirement... In the past I thought Tech 1 or Fundies was all that was required (w/ Nitrox has a prereq for those), they really are shooting themselves in the foot as far as prospective buyers/students go... I imagine the "or equiv" will be significantly more lenient than if you show up trying to take Tech 3....

There was a class report floating around about some guys over in Japan taking the RB80 class from Jarrod, and I believe they were only Fundies.., not Tech2, but I could be mistaken...

vlada

Japan report was back when they had 2 RB80 classes - rec (direct drive and no switchblocks and tec (full meal). They since merged it into one class with Tech 2 as a pre-requisite. This was current as of Feb this year when i took my class - no clue if it changed since.

Anyways, it sounded like original poster was asking about tech training in general. I would echo the other's comment and recommend finding a good instructor that matches your learning style and has a reputation for producing skilled divers. GUE does have a higher min standard though, so in the absence of information, that woudl be a good bet for an entry level tech class.

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Marvintpa

One small correction to something mentioned above: you don't need Tech 3 to do the RB80 course, but as the gent asking the question was looking for tech training and not Rebreather training, this is likely academic.

The general answer to these types of questions is, "Find a good instructor, the agency doesn't matter so much." And while I'm sure there is some truth to this, that's a tough thing to actually pull off (ie. how do you know what his skills are in the water? his skills at getting across complex concepts? how do you judge someone on material you don't even know yet?) It's not easy. Even talking to other students, how do they know the answers to these questions if they've only really dealt with one instructor?

From my own experience I'm willing to say the agency does matter. I've done full trimix through IANTD with what I thought was a good instructor. I later did up to RB80 with GUE, and I'll just say I learned more and became what I hope to be a better diver in the latter path. Yes, I drank the Cool-aid, and I liked it. Most people who try it, and are successful at it, like it - that would seem to suggest something to me.

In an open forum, where this topic has already been beaten to death many times, I'll leave it at that. If you'd like more information just PM and I'll be glad to help in whatever small way I can.

Martin Burnard

I stand corrected.

cameron

It is not rediculous. It is a step higher then SOME of the shit that gets peddled out there. Looking at alot of CCR divers, I think basic skills are not taught or enforced at all.

Even though they don't teach CCRs, the Fundies Course has valuable information that I use in my day to day diving on the KISS. Its not the be all and end all but it is good trainning.

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