What's normix training involve?

zbskii · 29th June 2007, 06:10

I've been searching the board, but what exactly does the normoxic training involve, and what extra gear do you need? What skills do you learn? How did you make the decision you were ready?
-Brett

Drmike · 29th June 2007, 07:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by zbskii)

I'v what exactly does the normoxic training involve,

getting ripped off basically.

I did the normoxic course then later the full trimix course -there is so little difference that personally i think the normoxic course is a total waste of time and money - Id go straight to full trimix course. YMMV

Dutchy · 29th June 2007, 07:16

On a Sport Kiss? Hmmmmm if you find an organisation willing to have you trained on SK then please share. The Recommendation of max 50m seems to be interpreted as hard limit and hence not suitable for normoxic diving. (I'd be happy with normoxic education AND still have the 50m limit but don't think I can get certified like that

Advanced Recreational Trimix 45m (OK) and 15min accelerated deco (NOK) is what I'm stuck with.

**Dave1w** · 29th June 2007, 07:26

As a thought on this, didn't one of the agencies say that basically, if you have your Adv Rec Trimix, and you MOD , then you are probably OK to go with something like the KISS? I read something about it, but it wasn't specific enough. If this is the case, I woudl be prepared to do the ART maybe.
Dave

**nigelh** · 29th June 2007, 07:28

Quote: (Originally Posted by zbskii)

I've been searching the board, but what exactly does the normoxic training involve, and what extra gear do you need? What skills do you learn? How did you make the decision you were ready?

For the Inspiration under IANTD it was team bailout carrying a single stage of bottom mix with lots of failure drills, a bit of rescue and some 'mask off' stuff. I mainly wanted to do the deco side and found I needed to sharpen up my stop holding a lot.

dantheman · 29th June 2007, 14:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave1w)

As a thought on this, didn't one of the agencies say that basically, if you have your Adv Rec Trimix, and you MOD , then you are probably OK to go with something like the KISS? I read something about it, but it wasn't specific enough.

In re IANTD, how about this ?

--dan

dantheman · 29th June 2007, 14:42

Actually, I like the term "Normix" . . .
It's neither cheap nor most useful . . .

--dan

Trukdiver · 29th June 2007, 15:32

I did take Normoxic on a Classic KISS and I am glad for it. I know a lot of people think its a silly cert and one that isn't useful, but its perfect for me right now. I'm not ready to go to 330 fsw or frankly much past 200-225. However, I am ready and had already been doing dives in excess of 175fsw but with no He in the mix. I was taking Full Cave CCR and combined it so the cost incrementally was reasonable $600USD. If I had tried to go full trimix, I wouldn't have been able to get the right depths in the cave systems I was diving (thereby modifying an excellent cave course) and it would have extended the week beyond what I could fit in. Therefore, I would still be without mix in my bag.

The cert involved 4 dives - 2 had to be in excess of 150 feet and 1 in excess of 180 and up to 200. (Don't quote me on the exact depths, but this was roughly it.) Equipment-wise, I was expected to be able to carry appropriate bailout to accomodate the profile I was diving, full tech gear (include reels, spools, cutting devices, backup lights). Since I did this in a cave, gear was tailored for that environment.

The card itself gets me exactly what I need - 16% O2 in the dil bottle and 20% in bailout. This allows me to run a PO2 in the 1.1 range at 200 feet.

So I understand why many say to just do full trimix, but I think there are situations and needs that make Normoxic a good course.

Good luck in your decision.

Devils Advocate · 29th June 2007, 16:00

The TDI stance is slightly different. You can take the (normoxic) Trimix course on the Sport Kiss but the depth limit is 50m. If you have a classic Kiss then the depth limit is 60m. Irrespective of what unit you dive the course involves dive skills on the unit whilst diving with mixed gas. I usually have one scenario per dive that the student has to deal with which he must pass in order to get to the next dive. If you are not OC mixed gas certified and dive a Kiss then you do not really have many options.

i just finished a course today with a student who has a Sport Kiss. He might post a comment on what he thought of the course!!!!!

Regards
Aaron.

decoweenie · 29th June 2007, 16:10

Brett,

Jetsam limits the Sport-KISS unit recommended depth so, officially, you could only get Normoxic-Trimix-Sport-KISS certification with IANTD.

If you could find another agency that has a different standard for Trimix-Sport-KISS certification (i.e. doesn't require training dives below recommened depth), then you pursue that avenue.

Otherwise, only Norm-Tmx for SK.

29th June 2007, 06:10	#1 (permalink)
zbskii I have a diving problem. Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 143	What's normix training involve? I've been searching the board, but what exactly does the normoxic training involve, and what extra gear do you need? What skills do you learn? How did you make the decision you were ready? -Brett
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29th June 2007, 07:14	#2 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: What's normix training involve? Quote: (Originally Posted by zbskii) I'v what exactly does the normoxic training involve, getting ripped off basically. I did the normoxic course then later the full trimix course -there is so little difference that personally i think the normoxic course is a total waste of time and money - Id go straight to full trimix course. YMMV __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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29th June 2007, 07:16	#3 (permalink)
Dutchy Rene Warries Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Nieuwegein (The Netherlands) Posts: 843	Re: What's normix training involve? On a Sport Kiss? Hmmmmm if you find an organisation willing to have you trained on SK then please share. The Recommendation of max 50m seems to be interpreted as hard limit and hence not suitable for normoxic diving. (I'd be happy with normoxic education AND still have the 50m limit but don't think I can get certified like that Advanced Recreational Trimix 45m (OK) and 15min accelerated deco (NOK) is what I'm stuck with. __________________ = This post is environmentally friendly. It is composed of 100% recycled electrons only. =
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29th June 2007, 07:26	#4 (permalink)
Dave1w Born Again Diver! Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Dolphin Ray Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Home Build Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Singapore / UK Posts: 378	Re: What's normix training involve? As a thought on this, didn't one of the agencies say that basically, if you have your Adv Rec Trimix, and you MOD , then you are probably OK to go with something like the KISS? I read something about it, but it wasn't specific enough. If this is the case, I woudl be prepared to do the ART maybe. Dave
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29th June 2007, 07:28	#5 (permalink)
nigelh New member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Brighton, Sussex, UK Posts: 883	Re: What's normix training involve? Quote: (Originally Posted by zbskii) I've been searching the board, but what exactly does the normoxic training involve, and what extra gear do you need? What skills do you learn? How did you make the decision you were ready? For the Inspiration under IANTD it was team bailout carrying a single stage of bottom mix with lots of failure drills, a bit of rescue and some 'mask off' stuff. I mainly wanted to do the deco side and found I needed to sharpen up my stop holding a lot. __________________ nigelh
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29th June 2007, 14:39	#6 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 397	Re: What's normix training involve? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave1w) As a thought on this, didn't one of the agencies say that basically, if you have your Adv Rec Trimix, and you MOD , then you are probably OK to go with something like the KISS? I read something about it, but it wasn't specific enough. In re IANTD, how about this ? --dan
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29th June 2007, 14:42	#7 (permalink)
dantheman Emoticonoclast Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Join Date: May 2005 Location: NorthEast USA Posts: 397	Re: What's normix training involve? Actually, I like the term "Normix" . . . It's neither cheap nor most useful . . . --dan
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29th June 2007, 15:32	#8 (permalink)
Trukdiver New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 58	Re: What's normix training involve? I did take Normoxic on a Classic KISS and I am glad for it. I know a lot of people think its a silly cert and one that isn't useful, but its perfect for me right now. I'm not ready to go to 330 fsw or frankly much past 200-225. However, I am ready and had already been doing dives in excess of 175fsw but with no He in the mix. I was taking Full Cave CCR and combined it so the cost incrementally was reasonable $600USD. If I had tried to go full trimix, I wouldn't have been able to get the right depths in the cave systems I was diving (thereby modifying an excellent cave course) and it would have extended the week beyond what I could fit in. Therefore, I would still be without mix in my bag. The cert involved 4 dives - 2 had to be in excess of 150 feet and 1 in excess of 180 and up to 200. (Don't quote me on the exact depths, but this was roughly it.) Equipment-wise, I was expected to be able to carry appropriate bailout to accomodate the profile I was diving, full tech gear (include reels, spools, cutting devices, backup lights). Since I did this in a cave, gear was tailored for that environment. The card itself gets me exactly what I need - 16% O2 in the dil bottle and 20% in bailout. This allows me to run a PO2 in the 1.1 range at 200 feet. So I understand why many say to just do full trimix, but I think there are situations and needs that make Normoxic a good course. Good luck in your decision. __________________ Sunny Longordo CK#245
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29th June 2007, 16:00	#9 (permalink)
Devils Advocate anarchist & nonconformist Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Pelagian Other CCR Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Pelagian Other CCR Other SCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: egypt Posts: 58	Re: What's normix training involve? The TDI stance is slightly different. You can take the (normoxic) Trimix course on the Sport Kiss but the depth limit is 50m. If you have a classic Kiss then the depth limit is 60m. Irrespective of what unit you dive the course involves dive skills on the unit whilst diving with mixed gas. I usually have one scenario per dive that the student has to deal with which he must pass in order to get to the next dive. If you are not OC mixed gas certified and dive a Kiss then you do not really have many options. i just finished a course today with a student who has a Sport Kiss. He might post a comment on what he thought of the course!!!!! Regards Aaron.
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29th June 2007, 16:10	#10 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: What's normix training involve? Brett, Jetsam limits the Sport-KISS unit recommended depth so, officially, you could only get Normoxic-Trimix-Sport-KISS certification with IANTD. If you could find another agency that has a different standard for Trimix-Sport-KISS certification (i.e. doesn't require training dives below recommened depth), then you pursue that avenue. Otherwise, only Norm-Tmx for SK. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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