#11 (c-card hijack from near-drowning thread)

Drmike · 22nd June 2007, 05:30

Of course there is a more likley explanation:

11. Could it be the student fainted through shock when he found out his instructor was and never had been sanctioned to teach IANTD classes in S.E Asia and was knowingly commiting fraud (de-frauding the IANTD regional License holder) by dishonestly routing their certifications through France?

Why dont you answer the many calls/emails from those students left high and dry with no certs and no money back??

Such an honest guy

silent running · 22nd June 2007, 06:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Of course there is a more likley explanation:

11. Could it be the student fainted through shock when he found out his instructor was and never had been sanctioned to teach IANTD classes in S.E Asia and was knowingly commiting fraud (de-frauding the IANTD regional License holder) by dishonestly routing their certifications through France?

Uh oh, the plot thickens...

**wedivebc** · 22nd June 2007, 06:30

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

Of course there is a more likley explanation:

11. Could it be the student fainted through shock when he found out his instructor was and never had been sanctioned to teach IANTD classes in S.E Asia and was knowingly commiting fraud (de-frauding the IANTD regional License holder) by dishonestly routing their certifications through France?

Why dont you answer the many calls/emails from those students left high and dry with no certs and no money back??

Such an honest guy

Give it a rest man. This gets old fast

Drmike · 22nd June 2007, 06:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

Give it a rest man. This gets old fast

you'd likely defend Adolph Hitler if he was a meg diver :P

Actually its not old - its bang up to date for the poor sods I discussed with yesterday who paid for certs and did classes but are not able to get certs
I'm sure they would have appreciated hearing about this like this before they gave the money. Its also not old for the licensee who has lost income and been de-fraud of money by a guy dishonestly poaching his turf/students

But hey lets not stop future acts of fraud from happening just because Dave finds the subject boring...

Dave+Cedric first, the truth and protecting others, second..

got it

yes I know I'm bitter and twisted - but that doesn't change the facts. My motivation doesn't change the facts the color of my underwear doesn't change the facts. And people I believe want to know the facts and people (sucha s potential students) should be warned about possible fraud that can hurt them financially -I unlike some, have never lied about the facts.

Mdemon · 22nd June 2007, 06:56

He pulls a guy out and you're worried about his cert cards. How ironic.

**wedivebc** · 22nd June 2007, 06:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

you'd likely defend Adolph Hitler if he was a meg diver :P

Actually its not old - its bang up to date for the poor sods I discussed with yesterday who paid for certs and did classes but are not able to get certs
I'm sure they would have appreciated hearing about this like this before they gave the money. Its also not old for the licensee who has lost income and been de-fraud of money by a guy dishonestly poaching his turf/students

But hey lets not stop future acts of fraud from happening just because Dave finds the subject boring...

Dave+Cedric first, the truth and protecting others, second..

got it

yes I know I'm bitter and twisted - but that doesn't change the facts. My motivation doesn't change the facts the color of my underwear doesn't change the facts. And people I believe want to know the facts and people (sucha s potential students) should be warned about possible fraud that can hurt them financially -I unlike some, have never lied about the facts.

You know Mike, I don't know what your problem is but I for one am getting mighty sick of the fact the for every nugget of wisdom you impart on this board you sling a mountain of shit. This thread is very interesting and has a lots of good information but you have to come in with your personal agenda and hurl feces at Cedric. Why don't you square off your differences somewhere else because it does not belong on this board!

**Gill Envy** · 22nd June 2007, 06:59

thread split, so I removed my post to that effect.

PCDiver · 22nd June 2007, 07:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

You know Mike, I don't know what your problem is but I for one am getting mighty sick of the fact the for every nugget of wisdom you impart on this board you sling a mountain of shit. This thread is very interesting and has a lots of good information but you have to come in with your personal agenda and hurl feces at Cedric. Why don't you square off your differences somewhere else because it does not belong on this board!

Actually I strongly disagree. If there are problems with instructors and their training agencies preventing students from getting their cards after the course then it certaily belongs on this forum. But another thread should be started.

Drmike · 22nd June 2007, 07:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc)

You know Mike, I don't know what your problem is

Would have thought that was obvious - I dont like liars I dont like students getting shafted by liars, I dont like my friends getting ripped off

Quote:

but I for one am getting mighty sick of the fact the for every nugget of wisdom you impart on this board you sling a mountain of shit.

thats not true I sling shit only at those who I deem to deserve it

I give plenty of my time to those who dont have some BS agenda or some BS bias (which I find equally as annoying)

Quote:

This thread is very interesting and has a lots of good information but you have to come in with your personal agenda and hurl feces at Cedric. Why don't you square off your differences somewhere else because it does not belong on this board!

A thread which I have contributed to - and you havent

I disagree anyway- this is exactly where it belongs. Posts highlighting lies and fraud should be allowed in the exact same place as self publicising marketing posts - otherwise you get an unblanced view and inocent people/industry get hurt.

If it was another instructor doing this or another person saying this you would have aplauded the 'outing'

But whatever - i just wanted to warn other potential students to check that their instructor is actually able to give certs/training in their region before handing over their hard earnt cash. Thats been done so no need to waffle on.

Ill go back to work now :P

and I promise Ill try to avoid discussing all things DIV in future - ill leave you all to soak up the BS - enjoy

by the way, way to go on not veing confrontational or deriding me

lol

**wedivebc** · 22nd June 2007, 07:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

Actually I strongly disagree. If there are problems with instructors and their training agencies preventing students from getting their cards after the course then it certaily belongs on this forum. But another thread should be started.

Yes you are quite right

Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike)

A thread which I have contributed to - and you havent

I disagree anyway- this is exactly where it belongs.

I had nothing of value to contribute

See above (there now I have)

22nd June 2007, 05:30	#1 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Of course there is a more likley explanation: 11. Could it be the student fainted through shock when he found out his instructor was and never had been sanctioned to teach IANTD classes in S.E Asia and was knowingly commiting fraud (de-frauding the IANTD regional License holder) by dishonestly routing their certifications through France? Why dont you answer the many calls/emails from those students left high and dry with no certs and no money back?? Such an honest guy __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment
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22nd June 2007, 06:05	#2 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,873	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Of course there is a more likley explanation: 11. Could it be the student fainted through shock when he found out his instructor was and never had been sanctioned to teach IANTD classes in S.E Asia and was knowingly commiting fraud (de-frauding the IANTD regional License holder) by dishonestly routing their certifications through France? Uh oh, the plot thickens...
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22nd June 2007, 06:30	#3 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,507	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Of course there is a more likley explanation: 11. Could it be the student fainted through shock when he found out his instructor was and never had been sanctioned to teach IANTD classes in S.E Asia and was knowingly commiting fraud (de-frauding the IANTD regional License holder) by dishonestly routing their certifications through France? Why dont you answer the many calls/emails from those students left high and dry with no certs and no money back?? Such an honest guy Give it a rest man. This gets old fast __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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22nd June 2007, 06:44	#4 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) Give it a rest man. This gets old fast you'd likely defend Adolph Hitler if he was a meg diver :P Actually its not old - its bang up to date for the poor sods I discussed with yesterday who paid for certs and did classes but are not able to get certs I'm sure they would have appreciated hearing about this like this before they gave the money. Its also not old for the licensee who has lost income and been de-fraud of money by a guy dishonestly poaching his turf/students But hey lets not stop future acts of fraud from happening just because Dave finds the subject boring... Dave+Cedric first, the truth and protecting others, second.. got it yes I know I'm bitter and twisted - but that doesn't change the facts. My motivation doesn't change the facts the color of my underwear doesn't change the facts. And people I believe want to know the facts and people (sucha s potential students) should be warned about possible fraud that can hurt them financially -I unlike some, have never lied about the facts. __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 22nd June 2007 at 06:52.
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22nd June 2007, 06:56	#5 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Near-drowning and rescue He pulls a guy out and you're worried about his cert cards. How ironic. Last edited by Mdemon : 22nd June 2007 at 06:58. Reason: Off-topic mate. Start another thread if you feel this strongly.
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22nd June 2007, 06:58	#6 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,507	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) you'd likely defend Adolph Hitler if he was a meg diver :P Actually its not old - its bang up to date for the poor sods I discussed with yesterday who paid for certs and did classes but are not able to get certs I'm sure they would have appreciated hearing about this like this before they gave the money. Its also not old for the licensee who has lost income and been de-fraud of money by a guy dishonestly poaching his turf/students But hey lets not stop future acts of fraud from happening just because Dave finds the subject boring... Dave+Cedric first, the truth and protecting others, second.. got it yes I know I'm bitter and twisted - but that doesn't change the facts. My motivation doesn't change the facts the color of my underwear doesn't change the facts. And people I believe want to know the facts and people (sucha s potential students) should be warned about possible fraud that can hurt them financially -I unlike some, have never lied about the facts. You know Mike, I don't know what your problem is but I for one am getting mighty sick of the fact the for every nugget of wisdom you impart on this board you sling a mountain of shit. This thread is very interesting and has a lots of good information but you have to come in with your personal agenda and hurl feces at Cedric. Why don't you square off your differences somewhere else because it does not belong on this board! __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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22nd June 2007, 06:59	#7 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,347	Re: Near-drowning and rescue thread split, so I removed my post to that effect. __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 22nd June 2007 at 22:11.
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22nd June 2007, 07:05	#8 (permalink)
PCDiver Submerge Productions Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Belgium Posts: 1,003	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) You know Mike, I don't know what your problem is but I for one am getting mighty sick of the fact the for every nugget of wisdom you impart on this board you sling a mountain of shit. This thread is very interesting and has a lots of good information but you have to come in with your personal agenda and hurl feces at Cedric. Why don't you square off your differences somewhere else because it does not belong on this board! Actually I strongly disagree. If there are problems with instructors and their training agencies preventing students from getting their cards after the course then it certaily belongs on this forum. But another thread should be started.
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22nd June 2007, 07:14	#9 (permalink)
Drmike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 3,378	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by wedivebc) You know Mike, I don't know what your problem is Would have thought that was obvious - I dont like liars I dont like students getting shafted by liars, I dont like my friends getting ripped off Quote: but I for one am getting mighty sick of the fact the for every nugget of wisdom you impart on this board you sling a mountain of shit. thats not true I sling shit only at those who I deem to deserve it I give plenty of my time to those who dont have some BS agenda or some BS bias (which I find equally as annoying) Quote: This thread is very interesting and has a lots of good information but you have to come in with your personal agenda and hurl feces at Cedric. Why don't you square off your differences somewhere else because it does not belong on this board! A thread which I have contributed to - and you havent I disagree anyway- this is exactly where it belongs. Posts highlighting lies and fraud should be allowed in the exact same place as self publicising marketing posts - otherwise you get an unblanced view and inocent people/industry get hurt. If it was another instructor doing this or another person saying this you would have aplauded the 'outing' But whatever - i just wanted to warn other potential students to check that their instructor is actually able to give certs/training in their region before handing over their hard earnt cash. Thats been done so no need to waffle on. Ill go back to work now :P and I promise Ill try to avoid discussing all things DIV in future - ill leave you all to soak up the BS - enjoy by the way, way to go on not veing confrontational or deriding me lol __________________ Cave diving is a sport Wreck diving is a sport Diving in general is a sport 'Rebreather diving' is not a sport its the delusional obsession with a highly dangerous and often inappropriate piece of equipment Last edited by Drmike : 22nd June 2007 at 07:39.
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22nd June 2007, 07:36	#10 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,507	Re: Near-drowning and rescue Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) Actually I strongly disagree. If there are problems with instructors and their training agencies preventing students from getting their cards after the course then it certaily belongs on this forum. But another thread should be started. Yes you are quite right Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) A thread which I have contributed to - and you havent I disagree anyway- this is exactly where it belongs. I had nothing of value to contribute See above (there now I have) __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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