cochran

Morg_NZ · 18th January 2007, 18:04

Can anyone tell me how they find the cochran computers and any advice on them.

Cheers

diverklondike · 19th January 2007, 02:32

Take a second and do a quick search on "Cochran" and I think you will find lots of recent information as an initial starting point.

Dive Safe...

Mark

andibk · 19th January 2007, 02:39

I have a couple of the EMC - 20 H models and enjoy using them. They are quite easy to use and figure out.

andibk

Crazyduck · 19th January 2007, 03:17

There are two schools on this thought process.
Some people rave about the company, and feel they provide
an excellent product. Including recent changes and modifications to the programs and algorithm. Ok, I’m being nice.

Locally we had a 300% RETURN rate. Yep, 300%!

Also the Algorithm is private and they will not… to anyone… provide any details… guess what you are diving their algorithm.

Recent changes to computers they have charged customers.

Diving in Bikini-
I will credit that some people feel that the problems were amplified by the dive operation not understanding how the computer reacts when in decompression- however, the failure rate (locked up, and those crashed) was not a misnomer.
Read for yourself-
Link- Cochran Computers on Bikini Atoll

Link: Cochran Undersea Technology

Good luck with your decision.
Regards, Andrew

wrecktek · 19th January 2007, 03:35

I have over a hundred dives on the 20 since it cam out. The three gas model is the best. I have dives from the pool down to over 350 ft not a single problem. You will be happy with the computer I love mine

grandizer52 · 21st January 2007, 00:51

I personnaly swear by cochran, there customer service is great. i have owned 6 different models...i got a gemin when it first came out...and it had some serious problems!!!!!!!!a few months later they did fix the problem...cept the damage and bad publicity was done. with anything with new technology, it dose need time for development. they are the biggest supplyer of dive computers to the us navy so they have alot to lose...they are coming out with another rebreather computer soon, will have enviromental monitoring
laytah
steve

diverrob · 21st January 2007, 19:30

I like my EMC 20H! Not one problem with it since I got it (not even a bat change) and I have 110 dives on it so far. The only down side I see is you can't bail out on it, other than that I love it

Rob

Skipbreather · 21st January 2007, 20:03

Both IMHO and in painful real world experience: Company totally composed of money grubbing dirtbags of the highest order. Customer "service" reserved for those who they see, for whatever reason, as valuable to their needs. Dive shops and individual divers not making that cut should expect to be left in the cold with any problems whatsoever. If a Cochran salesman makes you a promise, get it in writing, then get it notarized, then be absolutely dumbfounded if he actually keeps his word.

If you value your spinal cord, buy elsewhere.

Other than that, great company.

ahp · 21st January 2007, 21:36

Quote: (Originally Posted by grandizer52)

they are coming out with another rebreather computer soon, will have enviromental monitoring

What is "enviromental monitoring" ?

/Anders

chunter · 21st January 2007, 23:37

I will NEVER EVER buy another Cochran. Before I knew better, I had a few of their computers (most problematic was the Nemesis IIa), and all of them gave problems. My idea of a swich to turn on a computer is not my knuckles tapping the case. Not to mention that when I would use it as a backup, it would get bent by hours on repetitive dives (when my VR3 or other computer was just fine). Eventually, they all lost the ability to be re-programmed and the sensors (depth and "tapping" sensors) went out. Cochran does a good job at kissing the military's ass, but I have no respect for the company based on my experience.

Given, it has been a couple of years since I've owned one (and will be more than a couple before I buy another one), so barring some miraculous turn-around from the company, I'd never trust them to make a decent piece of dive gear. I'd be surprised if they could make a decent mask.

Can you tell I'm still bitter?

Buy a VR3. Of all of the VR3 owners I've known, very few have had to send their units back in for service. I've had the same one for over 6 years, and it works perfectly. I recently purchased another as a backup, and have been very happy with it too.

Aloha,
Charlie

18th January 2007, 18:04	#1 (permalink)
Morg_NZ Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: London, England. Posts: 133	cochran Can anyone tell me how they find the cochran computers and any advice on them. Cheers __________________ "Love like like you've never been hurt, live like there is no tomorrow and f%ck like your in a porn film"
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19th January 2007, 02:32	#2 (permalink)
diverklondike RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delaware, USA Posts: 1,713	Re: cochran Take a second and do a quick search on "Cochran" and I think you will find lots of recent information as an initial starting point. Dive Safe... Mark
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19th January 2007, 02:39	#3 (permalink)
andibk New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Azimuth Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss Dolphin Azimuth Join Date: May 2005 Location: Thailand Posts: 156	Re: cochran I have a couple of the EMC - 20 H models and enjoy using them. They are quite easy to use and figure out. andibk
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19th January 2007, 03:17	#4 (permalink)
Crazyduck Underwater Mechanic Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: TEXAS, Dallas/ Ft.Worth Posts: 719	Re: cochran There are two schools on this thought process. Some people rave about the company, and feel they provide an excellent product. Including recent changes and modifications to the programs and algorithm. Ok, I’m being nice. Locally we had a 300% RETURN rate. Yep, 300%! Also the Algorithm is private and they will not… to anyone… provide any details… guess what you are diving their algorithm. Recent changes to computers they have charged customers. Diving in Bikini- I will credit that some people feel that the problems were amplified by the dive operation not understanding how the computer reacts when in decompression- however, the failure rate (locked up, and those crashed) was not a misnomer. Read for yourself- Link- Cochran Computers on Bikini Atoll Link: Cochran Undersea Technology Good luck with your decision. Regards, Andrew __________________ Howdy Senor- What’s Happening! Rob Davie April 2005- Presently in a state of transition from Open Circuit to Closed Circuit. "You will not be punished for your anger; you will be punished by it." - Buddha. Last edited by Crazyduck : 19th January 2007 at 03:22. Reason: removing emotion 8)
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19th January 2007, 03:35	#5 (permalink)
wrecktek New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: usa Posts: 9	Re: cochran I have over a hundred dives on the 20 since it cam out. The three gas model is the best. I have dives from the pool down to over 350 ft not a single problem. You will be happy with the computer I love mine
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21st January 2007, 00:51	#6 (permalink)
grandizer52 Sport Kiss & Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Home Build Join Date: May 2006 Location: pearl city hawaii EARTH moving to Iscandar Posts: 254	Re: cochran I personnaly swear by cochran, there customer service is great. i have owned 6 different models...i got a gemin when it first came out...and it had some serious problems!!!!!!!!a few months later they did fix the problem...cept the damage and bad publicity was done. with anything with new technology, it dose need time for development. they are the biggest supplyer of dive computers to the us navy so they have alot to lose...they are coming out with another rebreather computer soon, will have enviromental monitoring laytah steve
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21st January 2007, 19:30	#7 (permalink)
diverrob The Evolution of Diving Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other SCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Victoria BC Canada Posts: 349	Re: cochran I like my EMC 20H! Not one problem with it since I got it (not even a bat change) and I have 110 dives on it so far. The only down side I see is you can't bail out on it, other than that I love it Rob
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21st January 2007, 20:03	#8 (permalink)
Skipbreather Reads the fine print Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet MK 15.X Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, Illinois, USA Posts: 584	Re: cochran Both IMHO and in painful real world experience: Company totally composed of money grubbing dirtbags of the highest order. Customer "service" reserved for those who they see, for whatever reason, as valuable to their needs. Dive shops and individual divers not making that cut should expect to be left in the cold with any problems whatsoever. If a Cochran salesman makes you a promise, get it in writing, then get it notarized, then be absolutely dumbfounded if he actually keeps his word. If you value your spinal cord, buy elsewhere. Other than that, great company. __________________ "Entropy RULES! Enjoy the interim."
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21st January 2007, 21:36	#9 (permalink)
ahp New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 13	Re: cochran Quote: (Originally Posted by grandizer52) they are coming out with another rebreather computer soon, will have enviromental monitoring What is "enviromental monitoring" ? /Anders
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21st January 2007, 23:37	#10 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 484	Re: cochran I will NEVER EVER buy another Cochran. Before I knew better, I had a few of their computers (most problematic was the Nemesis IIa), and all of them gave problems. My idea of a swich to turn on a computer is not my knuckles tapping the case. Not to mention that when I would use it as a backup, it would get bent by hours on repetitive dives (when my VR3 or other computer was just fine). Eventually, they all lost the ability to be re-programmed and the sensors (depth and "tapping" sensors) went out. Cochran does a good job at kissing the military's ass, but I have no respect for the company based on my experience. Given, it has been a couple of years since I've owned one (and will be more than a couple before I buy another one), so barring some miraculous turn-around from the company, I'd never trust them to make a decent piece of dive gear. I'd be surprised if they could make a decent mask. Can you tell I'm still bitter? Buy a VR3. Of all of the VR3 owners I've known, very few have had to send their units back in for service. I've had the same one for over 6 years, and it works perfectly. I recently purchased another as a backup, and have been very happy with it too. Aloha, Charlie
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