HS Explorer experience

chunter · 12th November 2006, 04:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Hi Charlie, the idea behind deep stops is that of using the pressure to keep the bubble seeds very small and in the case of RGBM, to then force diffusion of some of the gas through the surfactant/membrane of the bubble seed, allowing for the differences btw aqueous and lipid surfactants. Which then helps speed offgassing and allows for shorter shallow stops. There are other components of the RGBM that are also very detailed. I learned most of what I know about RGBM from my t-mix class, some of which was authored by Bruce Weinke.

Andy,

It's not from lack of research or understanding that I make my assertions. In general, I do believe in deep stops, and have had the pleasure of spending time helping Richard Pyle and others on some deep research dives here in Hawaii.

My personal feeling is that even the experts don't have enough guinea pigs to support their "theories", and after all, that is all any of these models is. It wasn't long ago that George Irvine made claims of knowing more about deco than anyone else, and I understand he is now paying the price physically.

Anyway, thanks for the chat, I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative.

Aloha,
Charlie

silent running · 12th November 2006, 07:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter)

Andy,

It's not from lack of research or understanding that I make my assertions. In general, I do believe in deep stops, and have had the pleasure of spending time helping Richard Pyle and others on some deep research dives here in Hawaii.

My personal feeling is that even the experts don't have enough guinea pigs to support their "theories", and after all, that is all any of these models is. It wasn't long ago that George Irvine made claims of knowing more about deco than anyone else, and I understand he is now paying the price physically.

Anyway, thanks for the chat, I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative.

Aloha,
Charlie

Not at all Charlie. And I realized that my comment about staying with my VR3 buddys during the extra deco for safety was in another thread, sorry about that. I understand your sketicism and share it, but I have to pick an alg to trust if I want to dive CCR, and RGBM makes the most sense and seems the most detailed in it's variables/model, so thats the horse on which I bet... -Andy

Jakub · 12th November 2006, 11:25

Hi George and the list,

thanks a lot for all replies. Very interesting readings from both parties of the CCR users. Vote or not looks like a unanswered question

Had a Shearwater electronic on my Meg so the RGBM will be closer.

Please what software version has the latest firmware update???

Cheers,

Jakub

Quote: (Originally Posted by GKAM)

Hi Jakub,

We did a series of test dives with GTZAVELAS a while back to compare the pre-VPM VR3, the HS Explorer and the NiTek He.

From our unofficial tests both in-water and out we have concluded that the HS Explorer is the best of the ones we tested. So far, our profiles have been down to 100m on RGBM CF01 both on OC and CC but we extend the last stop according to VPM/B +2 to add some more safety. I have recently started to do all stops at 6m rather than 6&3 and then take a v. long time travelling from 6m to surf.

I vote for the HS Explorer. Doing so, please beware there are a few minor bugs in the firmware and the ExpSim for the Metric settings. None seem to affect the deco algorithm which IMHO is v.reasonably applied by the computer. I have reported these bugs to Gene and he has updated the firmware.

All in all, it is a top dive computer with great support. If you decide to go for one, make sure it has the latest firmware update.

HTH
/George

GKAM · 12th November 2006, 18:21

Hi Jakub,

According to the HS site, the latest version is 4.07.9 dated Jan 12th 2006. However, I know for a fact that some minor bugs have been reported to Gene since. The last one I submitted was in August. I was told he has updated the firmware so he has i] forgotten to add it to the website or ii] considered it too trivial to release a new firmware number.

The most probable senario is that Gene has patched the code and anything shipped right now is up to date.

/GKAM

Quote: (Originally Posted by Jakub)

Hi George and the list,

thanks a lot for all replies. Very interesting readings from both parties of the CCR users. Vote or not looks like a unanswered question

Had a Shearwater electronic on my Meg so the RGBM will be closer.

Please what software version has the latest firmware update???

Cheers,

Jakub

12th November 2006, 04:43	#11 (permalink)
chunter I like diving Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Classic Kiss Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Honolulu Posts: 484	Re: HS Explorer experience Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Hi Charlie, the idea behind deep stops is that of using the pressure to keep the bubble seeds very small and in the case of RGBM, to then force diffusion of some of the gas through the surfactant/membrane of the bubble seed, allowing for the differences btw aqueous and lipid surfactants. Which then helps speed offgassing and allows for shorter shallow stops. There are other components of the RGBM that are also very detailed. I learned most of what I know about RGBM from my t-mix class, some of which was authored by Bruce Weinke. Andy, It's not from lack of research or understanding that I make my assertions. In general, I do believe in deep stops, and have had the pleasure of spending time helping Richard Pyle and others on some deep research dives here in Hawaii. My personal feeling is that even the experts don't have enough guinea pigs to support their "theories", and after all, that is all any of these models is. It wasn't long ago that George Irvine made claims of knowing more about deco than anyone else, and I understand he is now paying the price physically. Anyway, thanks for the chat, I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative. Aloha, Charlie
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12th November 2006, 07:11	#12 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,873	Re: HS Explorer experience Quote: (Originally Posted by chunter) Andy, It's not from lack of research or understanding that I make my assertions. In general, I do believe in deep stops, and have had the pleasure of spending time helping Richard Pyle and others on some deep research dives here in Hawaii. My personal feeling is that even the experts don't have enough guinea pigs to support their "theories", and after all, that is all any of these models is. It wasn't long ago that George Irvine made claims of knowing more about deco than anyone else, and I understand he is now paying the price physically. Anyway, thanks for the chat, I hope you don't think I'm being argumentative. Aloha, Charlie Not at all Charlie. And I realized that my comment about staying with my VR3 buddys during the extra deco for safety was in another thread, sorry about that. I understand your sketicism and share it, but I have to pick an alg to trust if I want to dive CCR, and RGBM makes the most sense and seems the most detailed in it's variables/model, so thats the horse on which I bet... -Andy
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12th November 2006, 11:25	#13 (permalink)
Jakub New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Megalodon MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Czech Republic, Prague Posts: 92	Re: HS Explorer experience Hi George and the list, thanks a lot for all replies. Very interesting readings from both parties of the CCR users. Vote or not looks like a unanswered question Had a Shearwater electronic on my Meg so the RGBM will be closer. Please what software version has the latest firmware update??? Cheers, Jakub Quote: (Originally Posted by GKAM) Hi Jakub, We did a series of test dives with GTZAVELAS a while back to compare the pre-VPM VR3, the HS Explorer and the NiTek He. From our unofficial tests both in-water and out we have concluded that the HS Explorer is the best of the ones we tested. So far, our profiles have been down to 100m on RGBM CF01 both on OC and CC but we extend the last stop according to VPM/B +2 to add some more safety. I have recently started to do all stops at 6m rather than 6&3 and then take a v. long time travelling from 6m to surf. I vote for the HS Explorer. Doing so, please beware there are a few minor bugs in the firmware and the ExpSim for the Metric settings. None seem to affect the deco algorithm which IMHO is v.reasonably applied by the computer. I have reported these bugs to Gene and he has updated the firmware. All in all, it is a top dive computer with great support. If you decide to go for one, make sure it has the latest firmware update. HTH /George Last edited by sadave : 13th November 2006 at 01:53. Reason: Removed pic from quote
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12th November 2006, 18:21	#14 (permalink)
GKAM digital nomad Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 254	Re: HS Explorer experience Hi Jakub, According to the HS site, the latest version is 4.07.9 dated Jan 12th 2006. However, I know for a fact that some minor bugs have been reported to Gene since. The last one I submitted was in August. I was told he has updated the firmware so he has i] forgotten to add it to the website or ii] considered it too trivial to release a new firmware number. The most probable senario is that Gene has patched the code and anything shipped right now is up to date. /GKAM Quote: (Originally Posted by Jakub) Hi George and the list, thanks a lot for all replies. Very interesting readings from both parties of the CCR users. Vote or not looks like a unanswered question Had a Shearwater electronic on my Meg so the RGBM will be closer. Please what software version has the latest firmware update??? Cheers, Jakub __________________ Stay #
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