Kiss dive computer?

***EBT*** · 30th October 2006, 13:10

Im halfway through collating a document at the moment that might be of some help. Since its still being validated, Im not going to post the whole thing, but heres an excerpt that may prove useful in this debate;

6Gill · 30th October 2006, 13:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Im halfway through collating a document at the moment that might be of some help. Since its still being validated, Im not going to post the whole thing, but heres an excerpt that may prove useful in this debate;

That sums it up nicely! Thanks, have some green.

***caveseeker7*** · 30th October 2006, 14:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT)

Im halfway through collating a document at the moment that might be of some help. Since its still being validated, Im not going to post the whole thing, but heres an excerpt that may prove useful in this debate;

Not bad for a weasel.

Regarding CCRB:

HUD Only - no

HUD Type - 2 LED, one pO2 warning, one deco warning

Redundant Displays - am not sure what you mean?
Feel free to explain and I might be able to add that, too.

Waterblock cable - yes (same as Boris)

DaveC · 30th October 2006, 15:01

I've been looking at the SubSea display for the Prism. Have you used this on that rig? Or do you know anyone that has?

I'm looking for good or bad feed back on it.

Dave

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

That's a personal preference, I for one like the SubSea setup better.
The HUD gives you a warning to look at your secondary.
There you can read all cells at once. Would be my choice.

The only thing that I don't like is "putting all eggs into one basket" as Gordon used to say. The stock display from Jetsam has three displays with independent power supplies with three cables going to the three sensors. If any one fails, the other two are still there.

The perfect, albeit expensive, setup would be the Shearwater GF with tripple cell readout and deco, with the SubSea acting as independent secondary and HUD warning.

***EBT*** · 30th October 2006, 15:15

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Not bad for a weasel.

Regarding CCRB:

HUD Only - no

HUD Type - 2 LED, one pO2 warning, one deco warning

Redundant Displays - am not sure what you mean?
Feel free to explain and I might be able to add that, too.

Waterblock cable - yes (same as Boris)

I'd love to find out more on the CCRB implementation, guess its digging time.

Redundant displays refers to the fact that some implementations use a display module to drive the HUD. ie subsea systems, the problem is that these arent always fully redundant. In the subsea systems case a failure of the DS1 would also take out your HUD.

Its always hard collating a document, since people implement in so many different ways, the full document makes this all clearer, but whilst Im validating my errors I dont want to publish it and potentially create a wrong impression of product.

One thing that is clear, its a world of options out there!

Scott M · 30th October 2006, 16:03

So I got an offer to go test drive the shearwater, had a look at the site and see they are doing away with the fisher connections. This is a big selling feature for me since I dont want anything to do with a connector and being a sealed unit no floodmode another thing I like. Looking forward to see it.

Marc T · 30th October 2006, 16:19

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

That's a personal preference,

The HUD gives you a warning to look at your secondary.

.

Yes that's the exact point that I (personnaly )dont like.
I choose mCCR because I dont trust in voting logic to drive my ppo2, so I dont trust in it anymore to tell me if its possible to dont look at my display.
Id like very much to have an advice from a mCCR diver using the subsea with HUD.
A Smitter code an I buy it immediatly

Scubascooby · 30th October 2006, 17:30

I am also looking for a deco computer and displays for my KISS.

The Shearwater looks good but I like some audio alarms too for those busier moments and I am not sure I would get on well with the HUD signals.

I am waiting to see what the VR3 implementation is like and what style of HUD signalling it uses.

thierry thevenet · 31st October 2006, 13:07

Hi Scott

I bought 2 GF shearwaters a couple of months ago, they are both connected to the kidney.About 50 dives with them. it is great, great.
2 for redundency, when I do shallow dives with divers in OC I configure the 2nd one in OC in order to follow their deco.
The first GF is on my my left wrist, the 2nd one is on the harness (left side).
I had a HSE, I will not use it anymore probably. It is easier to use, calibrate and to read. I had som bugs with the HSE in rgbm mode/CC, everything is ok with GF. There are maybe too big, maybe I would have liked more flexibility with the factors but it is just details. No fischer connection : that is a good choice when you know the problem of the fischer connector and salt water (I work on a ship and the unit and the computer are days and night in a salt and wet environment). Very good support from Bruce.

tchao
Thierry

silentscuba · 31st October 2006, 14:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by thierry thevenet)

Hi Scott

I bought 2 GF shearwaters a couple of months ago, they are both connected to the kidney.About 50 dives with them. it is great, great.
2 for redundency, when I do shallow dives with divers in OC I configure the 2nd one in OC in order to follow their deco.
The first GF is on my my left wrist, the 2nd one is on the harness (left side).
I had a HSE, I will not use it anymore probably. It is easier to use, calibrate and to read. I had som bugs with the HSE in rgbm mode/CC, everything is ok with GF. There are maybe too big, maybe I would have liked more flexibility with the factors but it is just details. No fischer connection : that is a good choice when you know the problem of the fischer connector and salt water (I work on a ship and the unit and the computer are days and night in a salt and wet environment). Very good support from Bruce.

tchao
Thierry

I also have two Shearwaters. One integrated into my KISS Classic along with a HUD and the other on my right arm set to a constant PO2.

I agree that having two brings great redundency. I have had no problems with my units and like them very much

.

My VR3 and HSE are now sold and long gone.

30th October 2006, 13:54	#12 (permalink)
6Gill Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Washington state Posts: 112	Re: Kiss dive computer? Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Im halfway through collating a document at the moment that might be of some help. Since its still being validated, Im not going to post the whole thing, but heres an excerpt that may prove useful in this debate; That sums it up nicely! Thanks, have some green. __________________ "It's a shame ignorance isn't painful!"
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30th October 2006, 14:44	#13 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,555	Re: Kiss dive computer? Quote: (Originally Posted by EBT) Im halfway through collating a document at the moment that might be of some help. Since its still being validated, Im not going to post the whole thing, but heres an excerpt that may prove useful in this debate; Not bad for a weasel. Regarding CCRB: HUD Only - no HUD Type - 2 LED, one pO2 warning, one deco warning Redundant Displays - am not sure what you mean? Feel free to explain and I might be able to add that, too. Waterblock cable - yes (same as Boris) __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!"
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30th October 2006, 15:01	#14 (permalink)
DaveC New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario. Canada Posts: 192	Re: Kiss dive computer? I've been looking at the SubSea display for the Prism. Have you used this on that rig? Or do you know anyone that has? I'm looking for good or bad feed back on it. Dave Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) That's a personal preference, I for one like the SubSea setup better. The HUD gives you a warning to look at your secondary. There you can read all cells at once. Would be my choice. The only thing that I don't like is "putting all eggs into one basket" as Gordon used to say. The stock display from Jetsam has three displays with independent power supplies with three cables going to the three sensors. If any one fails, the other two are still there. The perfect, albeit expensive, setup would be the Shearwater GF with tripple cell readout and deco, with the SubSea acting as independent secondary and HUD warning. __________________ Dave Any day in the water is better then any day in the office.
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30th October 2006, 15:15	#15 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 2,109	Re: Kiss dive computer? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Not bad for a weasel. Regarding CCRB: HUD Only - no HUD Type - 2 LED, one pO2 warning, one deco warning Redundant Displays - am not sure what you mean? Feel free to explain and I might be able to add that, too. Waterblock cable - yes (same as Boris) I'd love to find out more on the CCRB implementation, guess its digging time. Redundant displays refers to the fact that some implementations use a display module to drive the HUD. ie subsea systems, the problem is that these arent always fully redundant. In the subsea systems case a failure of the DS1 would also take out your HUD. Its always hard collating a document, since people implement in so many different ways, the full document makes this all clearer, but whilst Im validating my errors I dont want to publish it and potentially create a wrong impression of product. One thing that is clear, its a world of options out there! __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! RBW Terms of service
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30th October 2006, 16:03	#16 (permalink)
Scott M New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Ontario Posts: 79	Re: Kiss dive computer? So I got an offer to go test drive the shearwater, had a look at the site and see they are doing away with the fisher connections. This is a big selling feature for me since I dont want anything to do with a connector and being a sealed unit no floodmode another thing I like. Looking forward to see it. __________________ www.customdivingservices.com ( Mad Scientist) Classic Kiss #195
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30th October 2006, 16:19	#17 (permalink)
Marc T hell is in the details Current Rebreather/s: RB80 / Clone Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet RB80 / Clone Home Build Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FRANCE Carcassonne Posts: 498	Re: Kiss dive computer? Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) That's a personal preference, The HUD gives you a warning to look at your secondary. . Yes that's the exact point that I (personnaly )dont like. I choose mCCR because I dont trust in voting logic to drive my ppo2, so I dont trust in it anymore to tell me if its possible to dont look at my display. Id like very much to have an advice from a mCCR diver using the subsea with HUD. A Smitter code an I buy it immediatly
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30th October 2006, 17:30	#18 (permalink)
Scubascooby Better Off Out of the EU Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Great Britain Posts: 418	Re: Kiss dive computer? I am also looking for a deco computer and displays for my KISS. The Shearwater looks good but I like some audio alarms too for those busier moments and I am not sure I would get on well with the HUD signals. I am waiting to see what the VR3 implementation is like and what style of HUD signalling it uses. __________________ "dove" is NOT the past tense of "dive" Better off OUT of the EU ! www.hugsac.org.uk
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31st October 2006, 13:07	#19 (permalink)
thierry thevenet New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: France / Tanzania Posts: 21	Re: Kiss dive computer? Hi Scott I bought 2 GF shearwaters a couple of months ago, they are both connected to the kidney.About 50 dives with them. it is great, great. 2 for redundency, when I do shallow dives with divers in OC I configure the 2nd one in OC in order to follow their deco. The first GF is on my my left wrist, the 2nd one is on the harness (left side). I had a HSE, I will not use it anymore probably. It is easier to use, calibrate and to read. I had som bugs with the HSE in rgbm mode/CC, everything is ok with GF. There are maybe too big, maybe I would have liked more flexibility with the factors but it is just details. No fischer connection : that is a good choice when you know the problem of the fischer connector and salt water (I work on a ship and the unit and the computer are days and night in a salt and wet environment). Very good support from Bruce. tchao Thierry __________________ The Kairos Company, tech diving in Tanzania and Mozambique http://www.TheKairosCompany.com/
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31st October 2006, 14:54	#20 (permalink)
silentscuba rEvo CCR Driver Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss rEvo Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic rEvo Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Mill Creek, WA USA Posts: 612	Re: Kiss dive computer? Quote: (Originally Posted by thierry thevenet) Hi Scott I bought 2 GF shearwaters a couple of months ago, they are both connected to the kidney.About 50 dives with them. it is great, great. 2 for redundency, when I do shallow dives with divers in OC I configure the 2nd one in OC in order to follow their deco. The first GF is on my my left wrist, the 2nd one is on the harness (left side). I had a HSE, I will not use it anymore probably. It is easier to use, calibrate and to read. I had som bugs with the HSE in rgbm mode/CC, everything is ok with GF. There are maybe too big, maybe I would have liked more flexibility with the factors but it is just details. No fischer connection : that is a good choice when you know the problem of the fischer connector and salt water (I work on a ship and the unit and the computer are days and night in a salt and wet environment). Very good support from Bruce. tchao Thierry I also have two Shearwaters. One integrated into my KISS Classic along with a HUD and the other on my right arm set to a constant PO2. I agree that having two brings great redundency. I have had no problems with my units and like them very much . My VR3 and HSE are now sold and long gone. __________________ Curt McNamee rEvo CCR Diver KISS CCR Diver www.silentscuba.com
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