F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers

cedricverdier · 10th September 2006, 00:41

Hi all,

Just found that:

Liquivision F1 and Fluid Goggles Home

The Liquivision F1 is rated to 500m. Deeper than all of us will ever go with their rebreathers...

Burn time is only 11 hours but the manufacturer can have a 25 hour version (the LCD is just less bright). It's a rechargeable battery though.

Where is the catch? just a little bit pricey: US$749.

Cheers

aquaxel · 10th September 2006, 04:43

do u have a link for that?

GKAM · 10th September 2006, 08:22

I had been keeping an eye on that company for a bit over a year now. It looks like they remodelled their site completely.

Up until recently they were also offering a dive computer that never seemed to be available. I guess theys scrapped it.

From a technical standpoint, their specs are impressive. The most important feature are the OLED displays. I bet we are going to be seeing more of these OLEDs making their way to dive computer screens and Rebreather displays.

GKAM · 10th September 2006, 08:36

Here is something I had saved on my PC about this unit. The text is about 2 years old.

I don't have a source. sorry. It first it was going to be an open source project for the deco part. Then I think they anounced a full prduct but it never materialized.

"Liquivision F1 release date: April 20, 2005

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Here is an update on the development progress of the Liquivision F1 freediving/scuba-diving computer. As stated previously, this is the first dive computer in the world to use an organic LED display matrix (128x64 with yellow pixels on black background). It is also the first to display velocity and salinity during the dive.

As the release date approaches, timelines are becoming more clear:

- First in-water test of larger-than-life prototype: Feb 10, 2005
- First in-water test of final version: March 29, 2005
- 25 gauges ready to ship w/programmer cradles: April 20, 2005
- Second batch of gauges (probably qty 50) ready to ship: June 20, 2005
Price:
Gauge only: Euro $295
Programmer cradle: Euro $95

Initial manufacturing capability: up to 2000 gauges per year

I can also confirm a successful test of the salinity detection circuit. So the F1 will display water salinity if desired. Not only that, but it can record salinity as a function of depth, as well as temperature as a function of depth, since the temperature sensor reaches equilibrium in only 10 SECONDS, due to a heatsink on the base plate. The salinity response is instantaneous. Compensating depth for salinity & temperature will allow unprecendented accuracy of depth measurement (in 0-30m, accuracy could be a few centimeters). Accuracy in the 0-160m range will be amazing. From 160m - 300m accuracy will be somewhat less. It is possible that the F1 will be able to show depth to 500m. It could possibly even survive 1000m. I just need to find water that deep to test it!

So far, all circuits have been successfully tested except for the battery charge circuits which will be tested in the next few days.

The F1 itself has no buttons. To select modes, select language, program alarms, review dive logs, etc., the gauge is put into the cradle (optional accessory for Euro$95), a small contraption which contains rechargeable batteries. The cradle has a bunch of buttons which allow easy selection of modes and so on. The cradle itself is not waterproof. The cradle can also be plugged into a PC, and the cradle has the appropriate circuitry to re-program the entire software on the F1. The cradle can be used to recharge the F1 up to three times, before the cradle itself needs to be recharged. The rechargeable battery life of the F1 is 2-4 weeks, depending on how much diving is done, and depending on whether or not it is used as a watch (clock) 24 hours a day.

Memory has been increased to 2MB (2048KB). This means sampling rate could (in theory) be set to 10 samples per second or more, for more accurate stroke/velocity information.
The alarm is rated for 98dB @ 5cm. It is about 10-20 times louder than the D3 alarm, but still not as deafening as I had hoped. However a buzzer chip which would produce a deafening alarm is simply too big to fit in such a tiny package.

The real-time clock allows for setting of 2 time of day alarms. Clock function can be disabled to conserve battery life.

The huge electric current capacity of the rechargeable battery in the F1 means that the computer will not suffer strange malfunctions in cold water. It should function properly in supercooled seawater of -6C or colder. The battery can provide 80 times more electric current than the CR2032 in the D3. Because the battery never needs to be changed, there will never be any problems with o-rings or other unreliable components.

The F1 displays the % of battery power remaining, and the estimated time until battery failure.

The PC interface software will be released in late 2005. This allows downloading of dive data and so on. You can always review your dive on the gauge itself, like the D3/stinger etc... even without doing a download.
The PC software development kit which will allow full reprogramming of the gauge will be released in the 2nd half of 2006. This will allow programming of ANY type of gas model for trimix or tech decompression, etc... with an open-source community, I'm sure some tech diver will come up with a marvelous display/interface/software for tech divers. The programming interface will be in high-level C language, quite simple to learn. For liability reasons, there will likely not be any official deco software released for the gauge. Users will need to load open-source programmed software into their own gauge using the PC interface.

I also plan on releasing a head-mounted version, which would 'float' the computer on the left or right side of your face. I'm open to suggestions on how to design the headmount. The headmounted version would allow a diver to view his/her sinking speed in real time, to know exactly when to stop kicking etc... and/or improve streamlining.

Alarm Function

There are 20 programmable alarms.
For each alarm, you select the following:
- Depth > x, depth < x, depth = x
- Velocity > x, velocity < x, velocity = x
- Time < x, time > x, time = x
- How many times should this alarm beep (1-10 beeps, or continuous)

For example, you could set an alarm on the descent (i.e. time > 0, time < 60 sec), to go off in the range of 30m - 80m, when velocity is less than 1.2 m/s. So, once you reach 30m, and you want to sink at 1.2m/s, the watch will beep as long as you are travelling at less than 1.2 m/s. This is just one example of the flexibility of the alarms.

You could set alarms on the descent, as follows:
1 beep at 10m
2 beeps at 20m
3 beeps at 30m
...
8 beeps at 80m
then again on the ascent
7 beeps at 70m
6 beeps at 60m
.....

Of course, with the headmounted version, there are fewer reasons to use alarms, you can just look at the gauge to see what depth you're at, how fast you're going, and so on. The salinity & fast temp display will even tell you if you hit a halocline or thermocline.

lizardland · 10th September 2006, 23:19

Liquivision and the F1 were developed by Eric Fattah, a very accomplished Canadian freediver. He is a really knowledgeable guy in the freediving world, there's even an ear equalisation technique named after him. There have been supply problems with some of the other products but the F1 really does look like a nice, well thought out bit of kit if it was a bit cheaper and could be guaranteed to be in production.

cedricverdier · 11th September 2006, 01:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by aquaxel)

do u have a link for that?

It's in the original post:

Liquivision F1 and Fluid Goggles Home

Cheers

aquaxel · 11th September 2006, 04:53

righty - thx, got it.

i didnt know eric was behind it. i know him and his team very well. gonna ask him about and kick him in the butt to keep the technology going.

willibo · 11th September 2006, 07:04

Does it calculate my deco too?

Mdemon · 11th September 2006, 07:19

Surely some bright spark could swap out the LCD screen in a Suunto/VR£ for an OLED one?

I'm blissfully ignorant of how hard that would really be, but in principle it's just a different display isn't it?

GKAM · 11th September 2006, 08:14

...not quite. You will need to redesign parts of the board plus the way you dirve the display. It is not as straightforward as one may think. Simply put, it is not a DIY job to mod the display on an existing DC unless you are the manufacturer.

Still, I bet OLEDs will start making their way into DCs soon. They are the way to go!

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

Surely some bright spark could swap out the LCD screen in a Suunto/VR£ for an OLED one?

I'm blissfully ignorant of how hard that would really be, but in principle it's just a different display isn't it?

10th September 2006, 00:41	#1 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 498	F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers Hi all, Just found that: Liquivision F1 and Fluid Goggles Home The Liquivision F1 is rated to 500m. Deeper than all of us will ever go with their rebreathers... Burn time is only 11 hours but the manufacturer can have a 25 hour version (the LCD is just less bright). It's a rechargeable battery though. Where is the catch? just a little bit pricey: US$749. Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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10th September 2006, 04:43	#2 (permalink)
aquaxel aquanaut Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: cyprus Posts: 530	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers do u have a link for that? __________________ rgds aquaxel www.aquatec-innerspace.com
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10th September 2006, 08:22	#3 (permalink)
GKAM digital nomad Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 254	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers I had been keeping an eye on that company for a bit over a year now. It looks like they remodelled their site completely. Up until recently they were also offering a dive computer that never seemed to be available. I guess theys scrapped it. From a technical standpoint, their specs are impressive. The most important feature are the OLED displays. I bet we are going to be seeing more of these OLEDs making their way to dive computer screens and Rebreather displays. __________________ Stay #
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10th September 2006, 08:36	#4 (permalink)
GKAM digital nomad Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 254	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers Here is something I had saved on my PC about this unit. The text is about 2 years old. I don't have a source. sorry. It first it was going to be an open source project for the deco part. Then I think they anounced a full prduct but it never materialized. "Liquivision F1 release date: April 20, 2005 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Here is an update on the development progress of the Liquivision F1 freediving/scuba-diving computer. As stated previously, this is the first dive computer in the world to use an organic LED display matrix (128x64 with yellow pixels on black background). It is also the first to display velocity and salinity during the dive. As the release date approaches, timelines are becoming more clear: - First in-water test of larger-than-life prototype: Feb 10, 2005 - First in-water test of final version: March 29, 2005 - 25 gauges ready to ship w/programmer cradles: April 20, 2005 - Second batch of gauges (probably qty 50) ready to ship: June 20, 2005 Price: Gauge only: Euro $295 Programmer cradle: Euro $95 Initial manufacturing capability: up to 2000 gauges per year I can also confirm a successful test of the salinity detection circuit. So the F1 will display water salinity if desired. Not only that, but it can record salinity as a function of depth, as well as temperature as a function of depth, since the temperature sensor reaches equilibrium in only 10 SECONDS, due to a heatsink on the base plate. The salinity response is instantaneous. Compensating depth for salinity & temperature will allow unprecendented accuracy of depth measurement (in 0-30m, accuracy could be a few centimeters). Accuracy in the 0-160m range will be amazing. From 160m - 300m accuracy will be somewhat less. It is possible that the F1 will be able to show depth to 500m. It could possibly even survive 1000m. I just need to find water that deep to test it! So far, all circuits have been successfully tested except for the battery charge circuits which will be tested in the next few days. The F1 itself has no buttons. To select modes, select language, program alarms, review dive logs, etc., the gauge is put into the cradle (optional accessory for Euro$95), a small contraption which contains rechargeable batteries. The cradle has a bunch of buttons which allow easy selection of modes and so on. The cradle itself is not waterproof. The cradle can also be plugged into a PC, and the cradle has the appropriate circuitry to re-program the entire software on the F1. The cradle can be used to recharge the F1 up to three times, before the cradle itself needs to be recharged. The rechargeable battery life of the F1 is 2-4 weeks, depending on how much diving is done, and depending on whether or not it is used as a watch (clock) 24 hours a day. Memory has been increased to 2MB (2048KB). This means sampling rate could (in theory) be set to 10 samples per second or more, for more accurate stroke/velocity information. The alarm is rated for 98dB @ 5cm. It is about 10-20 times louder than the D3 alarm, but still not as deafening as I had hoped. However a buzzer chip which would produce a deafening alarm is simply too big to fit in such a tiny package. The real-time clock allows for setting of 2 time of day alarms. Clock function can be disabled to conserve battery life. The huge electric current capacity of the rechargeable battery in the F1 means that the computer will not suffer strange malfunctions in cold water. It should function properly in supercooled seawater of -6C or colder. The battery can provide 80 times more electric current than the CR2032 in the D3. Because the battery never needs to be changed, there will never be any problems with o-rings or other unreliable components. The F1 displays the % of battery power remaining, and the estimated time until battery failure. The PC interface software will be released in late 2005. This allows downloading of dive data and so on. You can always review your dive on the gauge itself, like the D3/stinger etc... even without doing a download. The PC software development kit which will allow full reprogramming of the gauge will be released in the 2nd half of 2006. This will allow programming of ANY type of gas model for trimix or tech decompression, etc... with an open-source community, I'm sure some tech diver will come up with a marvelous display/interface/software for tech divers. The programming interface will be in high-level C language, quite simple to learn. For liability reasons, there will likely not be any official deco software released for the gauge. Users will need to load open-source programmed software into their own gauge using the PC interface. I also plan on releasing a head-mounted version, which would 'float' the computer on the left or right side of your face. I'm open to suggestions on how to design the headmount. The headmounted version would allow a diver to view his/her sinking speed in real time, to know exactly when to stop kicking etc... and/or improve streamlining. Alarm Function There are 20 programmable alarms. For each alarm, you select the following: - Depth > x, depth < x, depth = x - Velocity > x, velocity < x, velocity = x - Time < x, time > x, time = x - How many times should this alarm beep (1-10 beeps, or continuous) For example, you could set an alarm on the descent (i.e. time > 0, time < 60 sec), to go off in the range of 30m - 80m, when velocity is less than 1.2 m/s. So, once you reach 30m, and you want to sink at 1.2m/s, the watch will beep as long as you are travelling at less than 1.2 m/s. This is just one example of the flexibility of the alarms. You could set alarms on the descent, as follows: 1 beep at 10m 2 beeps at 20m 3 beeps at 30m ... 8 beeps at 80m then again on the ascent 7 beeps at 70m 6 beeps at 60m ..... Of course, with the headmounted version, there are fewer reasons to use alarms, you can just look at the gauge to see what depth you're at, how fast you're going, and so on. The salinity & fast temp display will even tell you if you hit a halocline or thermocline. __________________ Stay #
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10th September 2006, 23:19	#5 (permalink)
lizardland Yak Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: North... Posts: 1,383	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers Liquivision and the F1 were developed by Eric Fattah, a very accomplished Canadian freediver. He is a really knowledgeable guy in the freediving world, there's even an ear equalisation technique named after him. There have been supply problems with some of the other products but the F1 really does look like a nice, well thought out bit of kit if it was a bit cheaper and could be guaranteed to be in production. __________________ Can you imagine drifting along in the sea with your mouth open and a load of f***ing plankton going in? You'd like it, would you? www.westons-cider.co.uk Azerbaijani Association of Technical Divers Publicity Officer and Goat Wrangler
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cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 498	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers Quote: (Originally Posted by aquaxel) do u have a link for that? It's in the original post: Liquivision F1 and Fluid Goggles Home Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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11th September 2006, 04:53	#7 (permalink)
aquaxel aquanaut Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: cyprus Posts: 530	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers righty - thx, got it. i didnt know eric was behind it. i know him and his team very well. gonna ask him about and kick him in the butt to keep the technology going. __________________ rgds aquaxel www.aquatec-innerspace.com
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willibo New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: México Posts: 35	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers Does it calculate my deco too? __________________ Shit Happens , stay focused! Willi
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Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers Surely some bright spark could swap out the LCD screen in a Suunto/VR£ for an OLED one? I'm blissfully ignorant of how hard that would really be, but in principle it's just a different display isn't it? __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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11th September 2006, 08:14	#10 (permalink)
GKAM digital nomad Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 254	Re: F1: Deep depth gauge for rebreather divers ...not quite. You will need to redesign parts of the board plus the way you dirve the display. It is not as straightforward as one may think. Simply put, it is not a DIY job to mod the display on an existing DC unless you are the manufacturer. Still, I bet OLEDs will start making their way into DCs soon. They are the way to go! Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon) Surely some bright spark could swap out the LCD screen in a Suunto/VR£ for an OLED one? I'm blissfully ignorant of how hard that would really be, but in principle it's just a different display isn't it? __________________ Stay #
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