HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors

GKAM · 6th June 2006, 20:11

A few simple questions:

What happens if the ppO2 cell connector is pulled from the Fisher port while u/w?

Does water travel up the sensor cable? What about the dive computer? How is it affected?

Does anyone know?

Cheers,
GKAM

mortenkjerulff · 6th June 2006, 21:11

Quote: (Originally Posted by GKAM)

A few simple questions:

What happens if the ppO2 cell connector is pulled from the Fisher port while u/w?

Does water travel up the sensor cable? What about the dive computer? How is it affected?

Does anyone know?

Cheers,
GKAM

Hi GKAM.

Yes. Water will get to the cable end (and probably travel up the cable).
I have been struggling with a bad O-ring on the female side (the VR3 side) and have had water in the connector several times.
As a result the wires in my cable have rusted and I need a new cable :-(

In the case of a VR3 computer, no water will get to the computer.

Morten

abowie · 6th June 2006, 22:54

The computer end is sealed; no water will get in.

The cable end is not; if it is open to water it will flood and so in theory can the cable although the pressure is ambient so there shouldn't be a torrent go into your sensors.

The O ring in the female connector in the VR3 is a b*stard to get out.

hoppyinca · 7th June 2006, 03:42

"The Connector is NOT designed to be connected/disconnected under water. Never connect/disconnect the connector under water"

Direct qoute from the HSE manual; Page 18.

I unfortunately can not recommend this computer... Ihave yet to actually finish a dive without it failing in some manner...

Everyone's expirence seems to be completly one way or the other. Either they work great or... not so much... Mine, is on the "not so much side"...

OC = HSE =>

Hoppyinca

abowie · 7th June 2006, 10:01

Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca)

I unfortunately can not recommend this computer... Ihave yet to actually finish a dive without it failing in some manner...

Hoppyinca

Yeah but you can run it over with a car and it'll live to fail another day :-)

On our Bikini trip last year there were 7 Vytecs, 3 VR3s and an HSE Explorer.

None of the Vytecs or the VR3s had any trouble at all. the HSE cacked out on the second dive of the first day and was not seen again.

WalterRoss · 10th June 2006, 00:02

I have a HSE Computer one of the first when Abyess was selling them. I have had problems with mine like most people. Gene Melton has always stook behide his computer. Last year we took 5 HSE computers to Bikkini and had ZERO faluires. I have spoken with Gene about unpluging the cables under water and that is not a good idea.

Walter

hoppyinca · 19th August 2006, 22:51

Gotta be fair here...
While I too have never had an issue with Gene, the computer did not always, or rather EVER work.... that is until last month!

I have had the most odd experience, the last 2 dives I have done my HSE Mod O performed flawlessly...

Guess all it takes is 3 years; 2 floodings, resulting in 2 trips to Florida; 2 dive with wildly incorrect depth incidation; 2 really expensive batteries; and a sewing needle.... after all that it works like a charm!

To qualify, niether of these dives have been below 50FFW; however, the first was for 2 hrs and 5 minutes, the second was for 3 hours and 11 minutes.

So guess mine is working now?.... yeah for me! hope it doesn't break... again...

Hoppyinca

GKAM · 20th August 2006, 07:01

I know what you guys are saying. My HS Explorer cracked on the first dive and the second one exhibited problems with depth readings during a 75m dive so I had to switch to tables. The support from HSE has been great replacing everything in less than a week.

Over the past year, I have gotten to know Gene prety well over the phone and e-mail. Back in July, I even met him in person when I visited Florida and we went for a dinner, talking for hours. His service is excellent. It is true that some of his units do have their fair share of problems.

Having said that, IMHO the Explorer features are much superior to the VR3, it is very easy to use plus the RGBM algorithm works great. I have now had my Explorer down to 97m and I do use it on all my dives. It does everything you'd need from a dive computer.

Once you have a good unit, then it's a keeper!! (as someone else said on this forum)

/GKAM

***jradomski*** · 20th August 2006, 08:18

Quote: (Originally Posted by GKAM)

I know what you guys are saying. My HS Explorer cracked on the first dive and the second one exhibited problems with depth readings during a 75m dive so I had to switch to tables. The support from HSE has been great replacing everything in less than a week.

Over the past year, I have gotten to know Gene prety well over the phone and e-mail. Back in July, I even met him in person when I visited Florida and we went for a dinner, talking for hours. His service is excellent. It is true that some of his units do have their fair share of problems.

Having said that, IMHO the Explorer features are much superior to the VR3, it is very easy to use plus the RGBM algorithm works great. I have now had my Explorer down to 97m and I do use it on all my dives. It does everything you'd need from a dive computer.

Once you have a good unit, then it's a keeper!! (as someone else said on this forum)

/GKAM

I don't want to jinx it but I talk regularly with Patrick at Oxycheq and he tells me it seems as if the case issues are over.. He hasn't had any complaints about any of the units he has sold the last several months.. In the past it was hit or miss... so good some bad..

fubari · 20th August 2006, 20:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca)

Guess all it takes is 3 years; 2 floodings, resulting in 2 trips to Florida; 2 dive with wildly incorrect depth incidation; 2 really expensive batteries; and a sewing needle.... after all that it works like a charm!

I'm familiar with most of these things, but a sewing needle?
What does one do with a sewing needle and an HSE ?

Pop microbubbles? Voodoo decompression?

Ok, seriously, there must be a practical application.
I ask because, out of all the things in my save-a-dive kit,
a sewing needle isn't on the list.
John G.

6th June 2006, 20:11	#1 (permalink)
GKAM digital nomad Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 254	HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors A few simple questions: What happens if the ppO2 cell connector is pulled from the Fisher port while u/w? Does water travel up the sensor cable? What about the dive computer? How is it affected? Does anyone know? Cheers, GKAM __________________ Stay #
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6th June 2006, 21:11	#2 (permalink)
mortenkjerulff Customise Me! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 151	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors Quote: (Originally Posted by GKAM) A few simple questions: What happens if the ppO2 cell connector is pulled from the Fisher port while u/w? Does water travel up the sensor cable? What about the dive computer? How is it affected? Does anyone know? Cheers, GKAM Hi GKAM. Yes. Water will get to the cable end (and probably travel up the cable). I have been struggling with a bad O-ring on the female side (the VR3 side) and have had water in the connector several times. As a result the wires in my cable have rusted and I need a new cable :-( In the case of a VR3 computer, no water will get to the computer. Morten
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6th June 2006, 22:54	#3 (permalink)
abowie Fighting Girl Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 574	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors The computer end is sealed; no water will get in. The cable end is not; if it is open to water it will flood and so in theory can the cable although the pressure is ambient so there shouldn't be a torrent go into your sensors. The O ring in the female connector in the VR3 is a b*stard to get out. __________________ Andrew Bowie Rebreather-friendly Buddy
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7th June 2006, 03:42	#4 (permalink)
hoppyinca New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA USA Posts: 253	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors "The Connector is NOT designed to be connected/disconnected under water. Never connect/disconnect the connector under water" Direct qoute from the HSE manual; Page 18. I unfortunately can not recommend this computer... Ihave yet to actually finish a dive without it failing in some manner... Everyone's expirence seems to be completly one way or the other. Either they work great or... not so much... Mine, is on the "not so much side"... OC = HSE => Hoppyinca
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7th June 2006, 10:01	#5 (permalink)
abowie Fighting Girl Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2005 Location: Land of Oz Posts: 574	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca) I unfortunately can not recommend this computer... Ihave yet to actually finish a dive without it failing in some manner... Hoppyinca Yeah but you can run it over with a car and it'll live to fail another day :-) On our Bikini trip last year there were 7 Vytecs, 3 VR3s and an HSE Explorer. None of the Vytecs or the VR3s had any trouble at all. the HSE cacked out on the second dive of the first day and was not seen again. __________________ Andrew Bowie Rebreather-friendly Buddy
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10th June 2006, 00:02	#6 (permalink)
WalterRoss New Member Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2006 Location: Biloxi, MS USA Posts: 8	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors I have a HSE Computer one of the first when Abyess was selling them. I have had problems with mine like most people. Gene Melton has always stook behide his computer. Last year we took 5 HSE computers to Bikkini and had ZERO faluires. I have spoken with Gene about unpluging the cables under water and that is not a good idea. Walter
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19th August 2006, 22:51	#7 (permalink)
hoppyinca New Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA USA Posts: 253	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors Gotta be fair here... While I too have never had an issue with Gene, the computer did not always, or rather EVER work.... that is until last month! I have had the most odd experience, the last 2 dives I have done my HSE Mod O performed flawlessly... Guess all it takes is 3 years; 2 floodings, resulting in 2 trips to Florida; 2 dive with wildly incorrect depth incidation; 2 really expensive batteries; and a sewing needle.... after all that it works like a charm! To qualify, niether of these dives have been below 50FFW; however, the first was for 2 hrs and 5 minutes, the second was for 3 hours and 11 minutes. So guess mine is working now?.... yeah for me! hope it doesn't break... again... Hoppyinca
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20th August 2006, 07:01	#8 (permalink)
GKAM digital nomad Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: May 2005 Location: Greece Posts: 254	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors I know what you guys are saying. My HS Explorer cracked on the first dive and the second one exhibited problems with depth readings during a 75m dive so I had to switch to tables. The support from HSE has been great replacing everything in less than a week. Over the past year, I have gotten to know Gene prety well over the phone and e-mail. Back in July, I even met him in person when I visited Florida and we went for a dinner, talking for hours. His service is excellent. It is true that some of his units do have their fair share of problems. Having said that, IMHO the Explorer features are much superior to the VR3, it is very easy to use plus the RGBM algorithm works great. I have now had my Explorer down to 97m and I do use it on all my dives. It does everything you'd need from a dive computer. Once you have a good unit, then it's a keeper!! (as someone else said on this forum) /GKAM __________________ Stay #
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20th August 2006, 08:18	#9 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors Quote: (Originally Posted by GKAM) I know what you guys are saying. My HS Explorer cracked on the first dive and the second one exhibited problems with depth readings during a 75m dive so I had to switch to tables. The support from HSE has been great replacing everything in less than a week. Over the past year, I have gotten to know Gene prety well over the phone and e-mail. Back in July, I even met him in person when I visited Florida and we went for a dinner, talking for hours. His service is excellent. It is true that some of his units do have their fair share of problems. Having said that, IMHO the Explorer features are much superior to the VR3, it is very easy to use plus the RGBM algorithm works great. I have now had my Explorer down to 97m and I do use it on all my dives. It does everything you'd need from a dive computer. Once you have a good unit, then it's a keeper!! (as someone else said on this forum) /GKAM I don't want to jinx it but I talk regularly with Patrick at Oxycheq and he tells me it seems as if the case issues are over.. He hasn't had any complaints about any of the units he has sold the last several months.. In the past it was hit or miss... so good some bad.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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20th August 2006, 20:04	#10 (permalink)
fubari New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 113	Re: HSE/VR3 Fisher Connectors Quote: (Originally Posted by hoppyinca) Guess all it takes is 3 years; 2 floodings, resulting in 2 trips to Florida; 2 dive with wildly incorrect depth incidation; 2 really expensive batteries; and a sewing needle.... after all that it works like a charm! I'm familiar with most of these things, but a sewing needle? What does one do with a sewing needle and an HSE ? Pop microbubbles? Voodoo decompression? Ok, seriously, there must be a practical application. I ask because, out of all the things in my save-a-dive kit, a sewing needle isn't on the list. John G.
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