Dive Computer Enhancements

bgpartri · 2nd December 2005, 20:47

I have been studying how dive computers could better ensure that divers do all of their checks.

The following is a quotation from “Proceedings of Dive Computer Workshop”, The American Academy of Underwater Sciences, September 26 to 28 1988.

“A number of suggestions were made about how to handle the violating diver. There seemed to be agreement that the diver in this situation cannot go unpunished. It was even suggested that the dive computer should shock the diver when he violates, or that it should ‘break’ or go into a lockup mode that requires a $100 repair to get it going again.”

Microsoft shows in this video that they understand the process:

http://a3.v14853d.c14853.g.vm.akamaistream.net/5/3/14853/v003/1a1a1a72db3eb01f920167db4fb41745a9188ffd69d8399dcb 2c97f865c62f5dc02f9ccbfc30689dd0ff6cdf44bc2c5bc83b a01888b7fc356ea7e0/9999_w.asf

Should we be doing this with divers who don't calibrate before every dive?

mverick · 2nd December 2005, 22:39

Man, I'm glad I got the first version on the Meg with Shearwater.... LOL

I don't want no babysitter... If I wanted someone tellin me what to do. I'd bring my mom with me... I like having alarms. I don't want things shutting down if I decide to ignore it. Just keep running and telling me info to get me safe. That's all I ask. If I get stuck in a wreck. And I overstay. I want the thing to tell me my safe way out. Even, if I can't do it. And, DON'T lock up on the surface. Because then someone else reading it. Can't get the info if it locks up. So, they'd have to find out the computer. Call them to ask for an unlock code. If it's even built in. Which would take time. Info should be INSTANTLY accessible.

If a diver chooses to kill himself. It's his choice.

Try making them bullet proof and if something goes wrong with the unit. Wouldn't the manufacturer be MORE at fault? If they designed in everything to keep you from being an idiot? And you die. Well, he shouldn't of. The manufacturer said it couldn't happen.

My car doesn't have a limiter. I can drive it up to 150mph with bald tires showing the cords if I want. And if a tire blows and I drive into someone. It's my own fault. Why would I want electronic controls that limited it to the speed limit? And that my tires should be changed ever xxx miles? As my oil would have to too. At least with a Rebreather. YOU are the one paying for it. Not someone else you run into. Well, You're family is the one paying for it.

You have to let people have a little control of there own choices. Otherwise, I wouldnt' buy any of this stuff. LOL

I hope you were joking.... LOL.... I hate the computers that lock up now.

E-man · 3rd December 2005, 01:42

Baahahaha, great post.

Andy M · 3rd December 2005, 01:45

Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri)

Should we be doing this with divers who don't calibrate before every dive?

Now why would I even want to calibrate before every dive?

I calibrate in the morning only and dive three times in the day.

By your reasoning I would get locked out of the computer? No thanks!

Genesis · 3rd December 2005, 03:31

I disagree on locking people out.

I do agree on refusing to operate automation if the system is not reasonably certain of its own status. Display the alarm and what you have, and if the diver chooses to ignore and fly manually (using the "computer in his head") that's his call.

The VR3 doesn't lock out if I violate it. It will continue to make a "best guess" and warns me that it is a guess, because it is no longer reasonably confident of its operating parameters.

bgpartri · 3rd December 2005, 04:22

The really funny thing is that the quotation isn't a joke. It really does appear on page 56 of the "Proceedings of the Dive Computer Workshop."

The rest of it, however, was a joke.

Please refer to the following for my real views: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...idents-10.html

(Didn't anyone -other than eman- think the video was a little bit funny?)

Genesis · 3rd December 2005, 04:38

I personally thought it was hiliarious!

I personally like the lightning bolt button..... they just need to increase the amperage a bit....

babar · 3rd December 2005, 05:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri)

The really funny thing is that the quotation isn't a joke. It really does appear on page 56 of the "Proceedings of the Dive Computer Workshop."

The rest of it, however, was a joke.

Please refer to the following for my real views: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...idents-10.html

(Didn't anyone -other than eman- think the video was a little bit funny?)

The key would be to "express the customers frustration" to the computer or rebreather designer. So when a rebreather diver gets locked out. The designer gets to share in the customers pain. I was thinking something along the lines of a strategicly placed alligator clip and an outlet

***caveseeker7*** · 3rd December 2005, 08:27

Punish violations? Award non-violation, I say!
Build a shiatsu massager into the BCD. Dispense a drink after the dive, use the temperature sensor to choose a cold beer or hot coffee or tea. If Tom Rose's sampler works out we can have some real fun, that thing looks like a distillery.
BSAC-86(ed) Moonshine Divers.

In the same spirit, women should have the option to change vibrating alarms to vibrating rewards.

Hootis · 5th December 2005, 11:01

Bruce,

Maybe another angle on this is that when a diver gets an undeserved hit, the software theorists and developers as well as hardware developers and manufacturers can have their nuts squeezed in an electronic vise....simulating the discomfort the diver would be feeling.

Ryan

And yes...the video was really funny. I need to send it to the guys in my IT department.

2nd December 2005, 20:47	#1 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Dive Computer Enhancements I have been studying how dive computers could better ensure that divers do all of their checks. The following is a quotation from “Proceedings of Dive Computer Workshop”, The American Academy of Underwater Sciences, September 26 to 28 1988. “A number of suggestions were made about how to handle the violating diver. There seemed to be agreement that the diver in this situation cannot go unpunished. It was even suggested that the dive computer should shock the diver when he violates, or that it should ‘break’ or go into a lockup mode that requires a $100 repair to get it going again.” Microsoft shows in this video that they understand the process: http://a3.v14853d.c14853.g.vm.akamaistream.net/5/3/14853/v003/1a1a1a72db3eb01f920167db4fb41745a9188ffd69d8399dcb 2c97f865c62f5dc02f9ccbfc30689dd0ff6cdf44bc2c5bc83b a01888b7fc356ea7e0/9999_w.asf Should we be doing this with divers who don't calibrate before every dive? __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment.
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2nd December 2005, 22:39	#2 (permalink)
mverick ScubaPimp Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 555	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements Man, I'm glad I got the first version on the Meg with Shearwater.... LOL I don't want no babysitter... If I wanted someone tellin me what to do. I'd bring my mom with me... I like having alarms. I don't want things shutting down if I decide to ignore it. Just keep running and telling me info to get me safe. That's all I ask. If I get stuck in a wreck. And I overstay. I want the thing to tell me my safe way out. Even, if I can't do it. And, DON'T lock up on the surface. Because then someone else reading it. Can't get the info if it locks up. So, they'd have to find out the computer. Call them to ask for an unlock code. If it's even built in. Which would take time. Info should be INSTANTLY accessible. If a diver chooses to kill himself. It's his choice. Try making them bullet proof and if something goes wrong with the unit. Wouldn't the manufacturer be MORE at fault? If they designed in everything to keep you from being an idiot? And you die. Well, he shouldn't of. The manufacturer said it couldn't happen. My car doesn't have a limiter. I can drive it up to 150mph with bald tires showing the cords if I want. And if a tire blows and I drive into someone. It's my own fault. Why would I want electronic controls that limited it to the speed limit? And that my tires should be changed ever xxx miles? As my oil would have to too. At least with a Rebreather. YOU are the one paying for it. Not someone else you run into. Well, You're family is the one paying for it. You have to let people have a little control of there own choices. Otherwise, I wouldnt' buy any of this stuff. LOL I hope you were joking.... LOL.... I hate the computers that lock up now.
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3rd December 2005, 01:42	#3 (permalink)
E-man On the loop! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Optima Other Rebreather/s: Titan Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Eastern Coast ;) Posts: 212	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements Baahahaha, great post.
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3rd December 2005, 01:45	#4 (permalink)
Andy M Dude Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Cambridge, UK Posts: 428	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri) Should we be doing this with divers who don't calibrate before every dive? Now why would I even want to calibrate before every dive? I calibrate in the morning only and dive three times in the day. By your reasoning I would get locked out of the computer? No thanks! __________________ Know your PO2 at all times
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3rd December 2005, 03:31	#5 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,453	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements I disagree on locking people out. I do agree on refusing to operate automation if the system is not reasonably certain of its own status. Display the alarm and what you have, and if the diver chooses to ignore and fly manually (using the "computer in his head") that's his call. The VR3 doesn't lock out if I violate it. It will continue to make a "best guess" and warns me that it is a guess, because it is no longer reasonably confident of its operating parameters.
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3rd December 2005, 04:22	#6 (permalink)
bgpartri CEO-Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Titan Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Vancouver, Canada Posts: 423	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements The really funny thing is that the quotation isn't a joke. It really does appear on page 56 of the "Proceedings of the Dive Computer Workshop." The rest of it, however, was a joke. Please refer to the following for my real views: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...idents-10.html (Didn't anyone -other than eman- think the video was a little bit funny?) __________________ http://www.shearwaterresearch.com Good judgment comes from experience. Experience comes from bad judgment. Last edited by bgpartri : 3rd December 2005 at 04:25.
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3rd December 2005, 04:38	#7 (permalink)
Genesis Bubbless Box of Death Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Sunny Florida Posts: 1,453	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements I personally thought it was hiliarious! I personally like the lightning bolt button..... they just need to increase the amperage a bit....
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3rd December 2005, 05:49	#8 (permalink)
babar Curmudgeon Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Southern California Posts: 425	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements Quote: (Originally Posted by bgpartri) The really funny thing is that the quotation isn't a joke. It really does appear on page 56 of the "Proceedings of the Dive Computer Workshop." The rest of it, however, was a joke. Please refer to the following for my real views: http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...idents-10.html (Didn't anyone -other than eman- think the video was a little bit funny?) The key would be to "express the customers frustration" to the computer or rebreather designer. So when a rebreather diver gets locked out. The designer gets to share in the customers pain. I was thinking something along the lines of a strategicly placed alligator clip and an outlet __________________ Babar Evolution Plus Sport kiss
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3rd December 2005, 08:27	#9 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,555	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements Punish violations? Award non-violation, I say! Build a shiatsu massager into the BCD. Dispense a drink after the dive, use the temperature sensor to choose a cold beer or hot coffee or tea. If Tom Rose's sampler works out we can have some real fun, that thing looks like a distillery. BSAC-86(ed) Moonshine Divers. In the same spirit, women should have the option to change vibrating alarms to vibrating rewards. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.!" Last edited by caveseeker7 : 3rd December 2005 at 08:31.
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5th December 2005, 11:01	#10 (permalink)
Hootis New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Megalodon MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Northern California Posts: 30	Re: Dive Computer Enhancements Bruce, Maybe another angle on this is that when a diver gets an undeserved hit, the software theorists and developers as well as hardware developers and manufacturers can have their nuts squeezed in an electronic vise....simulating the discomfort the diver would be feeling. Ryan And yes...the video was really funny. I need to send it to the guys in my IT department.
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