New HH electronics User Manual

***jradomski*** · 12th February 2008, 07:49

Quote: (Originally Posted by jhaaja)

The link is missing...

JH

do a refresh.. the file is there.. You might have been looking for it while it was uploading..

jhaaja · 12th February 2008, 08:16

Doh! Thanks!

JH

dave t · 12th February 2008, 10:31

Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski)

The IP is not dictated by the electronics, its dictated by the solenoid.. for example the solenoid used by the optima should be run around 90 psi, while snaptite solenoids are perfectly fine at 150psi (max rated working pressure)

When I did some batt tests on the HH I found they lasted longer if the IP was set to about 7bar.

Is this your experience Joe?

Dave

***jradomski*** · 12th February 2008, 10:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t)

When I did some batt tests on the HH I found they lasted longer if the IP was set to about 7bar.

Is this your experience Joe?

Dave

The lower the IP the easier it is on the solenoid, and yes the duration is longer but how much depends on the batteries. Alkaline batteries are affeced much more than Lithium cells..

The SP control on ascents is much better with a higher IP.. With an IP of 7bar bar the flow through the solenoid is lower and the error from desired sp is greater on ascent.. it takes a little longer to catch up, or some manual additions..

I have 3 "easy" weeks of diving on my current set of lithium batteries about 40 hours of diving (the ip is ~10bar)... I have the battery alarm set at 3.0v and It gets triggered occasionally, but then restores to 3.1-3.2v

On my rig that I have set up to take a standard lid or the HH I leave the IP at 7bar and deal with having to add some o2 now and then on ascent..

WHen the battery is right on the edge the lower IP may allow control a little longer..

I tested the current draw a long time ago.. If I remember correctly its was about 15% greater at 150 psi vs 100 psi.. but then again I have seen different solenoids vary as well..

smokey · 12th February 2008, 19:02

Hi got through the manual great

well layed out, but not much on the use of the new secondry deco feature,

Having upgraded and only had one dive in 4'cel water temp, didnt have much time to play with secondry display new deco can be switched during the dive ? yes.

I have the secondry in "CLASSIC" mode.

With "DECO MODE" on do I have to use "DISPLAY OPTIONS" to view deco info eg, Select "CLASSIC" confirm "YES" then use "DECO ON".

I think this was described as the "Life Boat" by Kevin.

I dont wish to view deco on secondry all the time just set to "CLASSIC" for quick PP O2 readings. May be a primary failure example could go through actions to display deco on secondry.

Have tryed "TEST STACK" it resets to 1 min but not getting warnings, ???

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 12th February 2008, 21:00

Quote: (Originally Posted by smokey)

Have tryed "TEST STACK" it resets to 1 min but not getting warnings, ???

The Stack Test does not work out of water. You set it, dive for a minute, get your teeth and brains rattled with the DIVA vibrates

, and then set it for use for diving after. It's a real wake up call!

***jradomski*** · 12th February 2008, 21:57

Quote: (Originally Posted by smokey)

Hi got through the manual great

well layed out, but not much on the use of the new secondry deco feature,

Having upgraded and only had one dive in 4'cel water temp, didnt have much time to play with secondry display new deco can be switched during the dive ? yes.

I have the secondry in "CLASSIC" mode.

With "DECO MODE" on do I have to use "DISPLAY OPTIONS" to view deco info eg, Select "CLASSIC" confirm "YES" then use "DECO ON".

I think this was described as the "Life Boat" by Kevin.

I dont wish to view deco on secondry all the time just set to "CLASSIC" for quick PP O2 readings. May be a primary failure example could go through actions to display deco on secondry.

Have tryed "TEST STACK" it resets to 1 min but not getting warnings, ???

There are certain things that have not been confirmed yet by Kevin so I have not added them.. I am uncertain if when the deco mode is off if anything is tracked..

I run it with decopress mode on on but with the deco DISPLAY disabled..

I have been meaning to try a dive with deco off then once I show deco on the primary turn it on and see if it was tracked, but I keep forgetting to try that..

***jradomski*** · 12th February 2008, 21:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

The Stack Test does not work out of water. You set it, dive for a minute, get your teeth and brains rattled with the DIVA vibrates

, and then set it for use for diving after. It's a real wake up call!

good point... next update..

***ScubaDadMiami*** · 13th February 2008, 03:09

You might also think about adding a little more information on the battery indicator, i.e., settings for various batteries, normal scrolling, warnings, etc. Did I miss this someplace?

***jradomski*** · 13th February 2008, 03:37

Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami)

You might also think about adding a little more information on the battery indicator, i.e., settings for various batteries, normal scrolling, warnings, etc. Did I miss this someplace?

Right now I need is feedback from users and what has worked for them and I can take it from there.. SO far for lithiums I see that 3.0v is fine even with backlight and solenoid at the same time there will be a short warning but no issues.. I am going to push it out as far as I can with my current batteries in dive situations so that I can see what a logical point is..

I do have to add the the voltage display swaps with other indicators.. Its been on the list for the next update..

I have been trying to write several manuals and coarse procedures and the state the the electronics manual was in I felt was worth releasing as is.. I made a ciouple of quick edits because of feedback..

Keep the comments comming I will take verything into consideration..

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12th February 2008, 08:16	#12 (permalink)
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dave t RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Ray Azimuth Home Build Join Date: May 2005 Location: UK Posts: 662	Re: New HH electronics User Manual Quote: (Originally Posted by jradomski) The IP is not dictated by the electronics, its dictated by the solenoid.. for example the solenoid used by the optima should be run around 90 psi, while snaptite solenoids are perfectly fine at 150psi (max rated working pressure) When I did some batt tests on the HH I found they lasted longer if the IP was set to about 7bar. Is this your experience Joe? Dave
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*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: New HH electronics User Manual Quote: (Originally Posted by dave t) When I did some batt tests on the HH I found they lasted longer if the IP was set to about 7bar. Is this your experience Joe? Dave The lower the IP the easier it is on the solenoid, and yes the duration is longer but how much depends on the batteries. Alkaline batteries are affeced much more than Lithium cells.. The SP control on ascents is much better with a higher IP.. With an IP of 7bar bar the flow through the solenoid is lower and the error from desired sp is greater on ascent.. it takes a little longer to catch up, or some manual additions.. I have 3 "easy" weeks of diving on my current set of lithium batteries about 40 hours of diving (the ip is ~10bar)... I have the battery alarm set at 3.0v and It gets triggered occasionally, but then restores to 3.1-3.2v On my rig that I have set up to take a standard lid or the HH I leave the IP at 7bar and deal with having to add some o2 now and then on ascent.. WHen the battery is right on the edge the lower IP may allow control a little longer.. I tested the current draw a long time ago.. If I remember correctly its was about 15% greater at 150 psi vs 100 psi.. but then again I have seen different solenoids vary as well.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 12th February 2008 at 10:48.
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smokey RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Scotland Posts: 91	Re: New HH electronics User Manual Hi got through the manual great well layed out, but not much on the use of the new secondry deco feature, Having upgraded and only had one dive in 4'cel water temp, didnt have much time to play with secondry display new deco can be switched during the dive ? yes. I have the secondry in "CLASSIC" mode. With "DECO MODE" on do I have to use "DISPLAY OPTIONS" to view deco info eg, Select "CLASSIC" confirm "YES" then use "DECO ON". I think this was described as the "Life Boat" by Kevin. I dont wish to view deco on secondry all the time just set to "CLASSIC" for quick PP O2 readings. May be a primary failure example could go through actions to display deco on secondry. Have tryed "TEST STACK" it resets to 1 min but not getting warnings, ???
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*ScubaDadMiami* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 2,215	Re: New HH electronics User Manual Quote: (Originally Posted by smokey) Have tryed "TEST STACK" it resets to 1 min but not getting warnings, ??? The Stack Test does not work out of water. You set it, dive for a minute, get your teeth and brains rattled with the DIVA vibrates , and then set it for use for diving after. It's a real wake up call! __________________ Howard Packer IANTD CCR Instructor Miami Beach, Florida CCRDiveTraining.com
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*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: New HH electronics User Manual Quote: (Originally Posted by smokey) Hi got through the manual great well layed out, but not much on the use of the new secondry deco feature, Having upgraded and only had one dive in 4'cel water temp, didnt have much time to play with secondry display new deco can be switched during the dive ? yes. I have the secondry in "CLASSIC" mode. With "DECO MODE" on do I have to use "DISPLAY OPTIONS" to view deco info eg, Select "CLASSIC" confirm "YES" then use "DECO ON". I think this was described as the "Life Boat" by Kevin. I dont wish to view deco on secondry all the time just set to "CLASSIC" for quick PP O2 readings. May be a primary failure example could go through actions to display deco on secondry. Have tryed "TEST STACK" it resets to 1 min but not getting warnings, ??? There are certain things that have not been confirmed yet by Kevin so I have not added them.. I am uncertain if when the deco mode is off if anything is tracked.. I run it with decopress mode on on but with the deco DISPLAY disabled.. I have been meaning to try a dive with deco off then once I show deco on the primary turn it on and see if it was tracked, but I keep forgetting to try that.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 12th February 2008 at 22:01.
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*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 3,113	Re: New HH electronics User Manual Quote: (Originally Posted by ScubaDadMiami) You might also think about adding a little more information on the battery indicator, i.e., settings for various batteries, normal scrolling, warnings, etc. Did I miss this someplace? Right now I need is feedback from users and what has worked for them and I can take it from there.. SO far for lithiums I see that 3.0v is fine even with backlight and solenoid at the same time there will be a short warning but no issues.. I am going to push it out as far as I can with my current batteries in dive situations so that I can see what a logical point is.. I do have to add the the voltage display swaps with other indicators.. Its been on the list for the next update.. I have been trying to write several manuals and coarse procedures and the state the the electronics manual was in I felt was worth releasing as is.. I made a ciouple of quick edits because of feedback.. Keep the comments comming I will take verything into consideration.. __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated. Last edited by jradomski : 13th February 2008 at 13:40.
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