Liquivision X1 battery replacement policy wacked!

teksimple · 14th November 2007, 23:21

Did anyone else notice this statement before they purchased their X1?

The battery in the X1 cannot be removed, replaced or repaired. If the battery in the X1 fails during the Warranty Period, Liquivision will replace your X1. If the battery in the X1 fails after the Warranty Period, you may purchase a replacement X1 at your cost.

The warranty period is one year. What this means to me is that an X1 will potentially cost $1600 a year to maintain, because neither you nor Liquivision can replace the battery. They can only replace the entire computer...AT YOUR COST.

Has anyone noticed this before? I am all about the "openness" of the X1's software model, but give me a break! You potentially have to buy another computer every year in order to use it! How ridiculous is this crap?

Mdemon · 14th November 2007, 23:40

I think I read somewhere that the battery is expected to last ten years?

On the plus side, if the battery holds out then over that period you will have saved a load of money on batteries compared with for example a VR£...

**Monkey** · 14th November 2007, 23:47

that leads me to think they are potted into the unit....

**Fun Under Pressure** · 15th November 2007, 05:50

Then use the x1 on every second dive and so the batterie holds 20 years ??!!
Very cool, so you can sell a many more computers.
Cheers Markku

Mdemon · 15th November 2007, 10:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by Monkey)

that leads me to think they are potted into the unit....

I think you're right. However, many types of potting can be dissolved away so given the choice of a dead lump of metal or digging around trying to fix it, I know what I'd be doing.

It does seem harsh limiting the battery warranty. I wonder how many years a dive computer is realistically used for though? Most people would probably be ready to upgrade after a few years to version x.xxx, with MP3, Video, GPS and diver locater built in...

PacketSniffer · 15th November 2007, 11:13

Yes. I noticed that part. I'll cross that bridge when I get there.

***jradomski*** · 15th November 2007, 12:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

I think I read somewhere that the battery is expected to last ten years?

On the plus side, if the battery holds out then over that period you will have saved a load of money on batteries compared with for example a VR£...

I thought they were using rechargable lithium batteries.. if thats the case regardless if its lithium ion or lithium polymer, the expected life in use or even sitting is around 3 years..

jhaaja · 15th November 2007, 12:57

http://www.rebreatherworld.com/rebre...Liquivision+X1

The battery is rechargeable.

netmage · 15th November 2007, 13:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mdemon)

I think I read somewhere that the battery is expected to last ten years?

On the plus side, if the battery holds out then over that period you will have saved a load of money on batteries compared with for example a VR£...

Uhhhh... I get 6+ months of diving everyweekend off a SAFT Lithium at less than $10... $200 of batteries vs. $1600 for a new computer?

kieranu · 15th November 2007, 13:08

Terrific, knowing my luck mine will fail after 1 year and 1 day

14th November 2007, 23:21	#1 (permalink)
teksimple RBW Member Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Haifa Street, Baghdad Posts: 514	Liquivision X1 battery replacement policy wacked! Did anyone else notice this statement before they purchased their X1? The battery in the X1 cannot be removed, replaced or repaired. If the battery in the X1 fails during the Warranty Period, Liquivision will replace your X1. If the battery in the X1 fails after the Warranty Period, you may purchase a replacement X1 at your cost. The warranty period is one year. What this means to me is that an X1 will potentially cost $1600 a year to maintain, because neither you nor Liquivision can replace the battery. They can only replace the entire computer...AT YOUR COST. Has anyone noticed this before? I am all about the "openness" of the X1's software model, but give me a break! You potentially have to buy another computer every year in order to use it! How ridiculous is this crap? __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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14th November 2007, 23:40	#2 (permalink)
Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Liquivision X1 battery replacement policy wacked! I think I read somewhere that the battery is expected to last ten years? On the plus side, if the battery holds out then over that period you will have saved a load of money on batteries compared with for example a VR£... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?" Last edited by Mdemon : 14th November 2007 at 23:43.
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Mdemon SiegeEngine II Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Home Build Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: SWUK Posts: 1,946	Re: Liquivision X1 battery replacement policy wacked! Quote: (Originally Posted by Monkey) that leads me to think they are potted into the unit.... I think you're right. However, many types of potting can be dissolved away so given the choice of a dead lump of metal or digging around trying to fix it, I know what I'd be doing. It does seem harsh limiting the battery warranty. I wonder how many years a dive computer is realistically used for though? Most people would probably be ready to upgrade after a few years to version x.xxx, with MP3, Video, GPS and diver locater built in... __________________ www.southwestmafia.com "small minds talk about people, Average Minds Talk About Events, GREAT MINDS TALK ABOUT IDEAS!" The WRONG Attitude will get you killed. "Once the agenda-monkeys and perfect-worlders have moved on, perhaps we can do some diving?"
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15th November 2007, 11:13	#6 (permalink)
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