HS Explorer what do you think of it?

Tecdiverfl · 13th June 2007, 13:50

I have been diving one for 2 years never had a problem. I have about 100 dives on it.

DaveC · 13th June 2007, 14:25

I have two of them, both used and don't have any issues with them. Switching profiles is easy and easier then the VR3 I might add.

curt · 13th June 2007, 15:15

I had an HSE. Really wanted to like it.

Unfortunately, I had to send it back four times in the first year. Each time, Gene was very nice, and he sent me a different unit with different problems.

All in all, Gene had it for more of that year than I did. I went to a VR3, and never a problem with that.

JS1scuba · 13th June 2007, 18:39

Quote: (Originally Posted by divetoyourmax)

Hello I’m looking at getting an HS Explore just wondering peoples views on it.

If you are going to go with a non-integrated computer Cochran EMC-20H is pretty flawless.

My info on the Explorer goes back to the original Abyss / HS Explorer. Gene may have fixed his manufacturing issues but suffice to say I don't dive one. Some people have had flawless results with it, and I am happy they have. Most have not. The concept is good, it was the first multi-gas unit. I hope those who use them now are having better results now.

Cheers

**Gill Envy** · 13th June 2007, 18:49

it seems that the Cochran EMC 16 is a very nice option for recreational CCR NDL diving. the 20H, for trimix, includes extra tissue compartment calculations for the fast on and off gas of helium, that is the only difference between the two...oh and a several hundred dollar differnce in price tag.

But neither the EMC 16 Or 20H allow for bail out to OC. A major downside. And word has it, streight from the manufacturer, that Mat's technique of leaving the touch option on and using a clip to cross contacts to switch to Fo2 under water does not work...according to the manufacturer, they can not get this to happen in the lab... bummer! They sounded hopeful.

Not being able to bail out to OC when deco diving, turns the EMC into a back up, and a pricey one at that. IMHO.

g

Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba)

If you are going to go with a non-integrated computer Cochran EMC-20H is pretty flawless.

My info on the Explorer goes back to the original Abyss / HS Explorer. Gene may have fixed his manufacturing issues but suffice to say I don't dive one. Some people have had flawless results with it, and I am happy they have. Most have not. The concept is good, it was the first multi-gas unit. I hope those who use them now are having better results now.

Cheers

JS1scuba · 13th June 2007, 20:17

EMC16 does not do helium only the EMC20H

As to bail out ... just run your numbers right and you can fly it on CCR and OC just pick the right set point and the correct bail out gasses.

for example a 10/50 dill with a 21/30 OC bail and a 70 EAN oc bail allows you to have an almost identical schedule as you would on 1.2 set point CCR.

But to each his own. I carry to EMC20s one set for CCR one for OC.

I hate pushing computer buttons underwater.

Cheers
JDS

Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy)

it seems that the Cochran EMC 16 is a very nice option for recreational CCR NDL diving. the 20H includes extra tissue compartment calculations for the fast on and off gas of helium, that is the only difference between the two...oh and a several hundred dollar differnce in price tag.

But neither the EMC 16 Or 20H allow for bail out to OC. A major downside. And word has, streight from the manufacturer, that Mat's technique of leaving the touch option on and using a clip to cross contacts does not work...according to the manufacturer, they can not get this to happen in the lab... bummer! They sounded hopeful.

Not being able to bail out to OC when deco diving, turns the EMC into a back up, and a pricey one at that. IMHO.

g

**wedivebc** · 14th June 2007, 18:53

Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton)

That mirrors what we see, what seems to be about a 100% fail rate of these....

Over what period of time? Everything fails eventually.

divetoyourmax · 14th June 2007, 21:07

Thank you all very much

trimix · 2nd February 2008, 14:15

I actually like mine (model M), and unlike some others out there, I have had no problems or floods. Great display, but poor backlight. I wear a little LED masklight to see the screen better - works great that way.

That all said, I'd like to sell it! (That sound you hear is Dave Sutton laughing!)
I bought a Meg, and the Shearwater will be a better computer for me and the diving I do, and it will monitor all three cells instead of one. If I can't sell the HSE, it will likely be my backup running on constant PO2 mode

scunick · 4th February 2008, 08:48

Quote: (Originally Posted by DaveC)

I have two of them, both used and don't have any issues with them. Switching profiles is easy and easier then the VR3 I might add.

About 60 dives and definately prefer it to a VR3

13th June 2007, 13:50	#11 (permalink)
Tecdiverfl New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Delray Beach, FL Posts: 70	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? I have been diving one for 2 years never had a problem. I have about 100 dives on it.
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13th June 2007, 14:25	#12 (permalink)
DaveC New Member Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Ontario. Canada Posts: 192	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? I have two of them, both used and don't have any issues with them. Switching profiles is easy and easier then the VR3 I might add. __________________ Dave Any day in the water is better then any day in the office.
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13th June 2007, 15:15	#13 (permalink)
curt New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Classic Kiss MK 15.X Other CCR Dolphin Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Rockville, MD USA Posts: 93	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? I had an HSE. Really wanted to like it. Unfortunately, I had to send it back four times in the first year. Each time, Gene was very nice, and he sent me a different unit with different problems. All in all, Gene had it for more of that year than I did. I went to a VR3, and never a problem with that. __________________ Curt Harpold US Representative Rebreathers Australia http://rebreathers.com.au/
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13th June 2007, 18:39	#14 (permalink)
JS1scuba RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ - USA Posts: 513	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? Quote: (Originally Posted by divetoyourmax) Hello I’m looking at getting an HS Explore just wondering peoples views on it. If you are going to go with a non-integrated computer Cochran EMC-20H is pretty flawless. My info on the Explorer goes back to the original Abyss / HS Explorer. Gene may have fixed his manufacturing issues but suffice to say I don't dive one. Some people have had flawless results with it, and I am happy they have. Most have not. The concept is good, it was the first multi-gas unit. I hope those who use them now are having better results now. Cheers __________________ Joel Silverstein, VP COO Tech Diving Limited a Division of Scuba Training and Technology Inc. http://www.nautilusdiveplanner.com http://www.nobubblediving.com
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13th June 2007, 18:49	#15 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Divers Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,315	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? it seems that the Cochran EMC 16 is a very nice option for recreational CCR NDL diving. the 20H, for trimix, includes extra tissue compartment calculations for the fast on and off gas of helium, that is the only difference between the two...oh and a several hundred dollar differnce in price tag. But neither the EMC 16 Or 20H allow for bail out to OC. A major downside. And word has it, streight from the manufacturer, that Mat's technique of leaving the touch option on and using a clip to cross contacts to switch to Fo2 under water does not work...according to the manufacturer, they can not get this to happen in the lab... bummer! They sounded hopeful. Not being able to bail out to OC when deco diving, turns the EMC into a back up, and a pricey one at that. IMHO. g Quote: (Originally Posted by JS1scuba) If you are going to go with a non-integrated computer Cochran EMC-20H is pretty flawless. My info on the Explorer goes back to the original Abyss / HS Explorer. Gene may have fixed his manufacturing issues but suffice to say I don't dive one. Some people have had flawless results with it, and I am happy they have. Most have not. The concept is good, it was the first multi-gas unit. I hope those who use them now are having better results now. Cheers __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°> Last edited by Gill Envy : 13th June 2007 at 22:13.
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13th June 2007, 20:17	#16 (permalink)
JS1scuba RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Evolution Sport Kiss Classic Kiss MK 15.X Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ - USA Posts: 513	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? EMC16 does not do helium only the EMC20H As to bail out ... just run your numbers right and you can fly it on CCR and OC just pick the right set point and the correct bail out gasses. for example a 10/50 dill with a 21/30 OC bail and a 70 EAN oc bail allows you to have an almost identical schedule as you would on 1.2 set point CCR. But to each his own. I carry to EMC20s one set for CCR one for OC. I hate pushing computer buttons underwater. Cheers JDS Quote: (Originally Posted by Gill Envy) it seems that the Cochran EMC 16 is a very nice option for recreational CCR NDL diving. the 20H includes extra tissue compartment calculations for the fast on and off gas of helium, that is the only difference between the two...oh and a several hundred dollar differnce in price tag. But neither the EMC 16 Or 20H allow for bail out to OC. A major downside. And word has, streight from the manufacturer, that Mat's technique of leaving the touch option on and using a clip to cross contacts does not work...according to the manufacturer, they can not get this to happen in the lab... bummer! They sounded hopeful. Not being able to bail out to OC when deco diving, turns the EMC into a back up, and a pricey one at that. IMHO. g
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14th June 2007, 18:53	#17 (permalink)
wedivebc Dave Tomblin Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Vancouver Island BC Canada Posts: 1,444	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? Quote: (Originally Posted by Dave Sutton) That mirrors what we see, what seems to be about a 100% fail rate of these.... Over what period of time? Everything fails eventually. __________________ Cheers, Dave.... Man is the only animal burdened with the knowledge he will eventually die
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14th June 2007, 21:07	#18 (permalink)
divetoyourmax New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon rEvo Other SCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other SCR Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: ct Posts: 48	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? Thank you all very much
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2nd February 2008, 14:15	#19 (permalink)
trimix New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Abbotsford, BC, Canada Posts: 52	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? I actually like mine (model M), and unlike some others out there, I have had no problems or floods. Great display, but poor backlight. I wear a little LED masklight to see the screen better - works great that way. That all said, I'd like to sell it! (That sound you hear is Dave Sutton laughing!) I bought a Meg, and the Shearwater will be a better computer for me and the diving I do, and it will monitor all three cells instead of one. If I can't sell the HSE, it will likely be my backup running on constant PO2 mode __________________ *BOOM!*
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4th February 2008, 08:48	#20 (permalink)
scunick Nick Cunningham-Moorat Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other CCR Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: South Africa - Cape Town Posts: 96	Re: HS Explorer what do you think of it? Quote: (Originally Posted by DaveC) I have two of them, both used and don't have any issues with them. Switching profiles is easy and easier then the VR3 I might add. About 60 dives and definately prefer it to a VR3
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