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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Life critrical system - explanation Some useful reading, helps clarify terminology and accepted design methodology and safety tools/protocals employed:- Life-critical system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia see link Safety engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Safety engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: Life critrical system - explanation You mean we can't just have friend do some computer code, go to Digikey to find components that look 'about right', find a local machine shop to hack out some housings, and then send out several hundred to people and then get a 100% return rate of the first *several generations* before it's finally 'sort of right' and is reliable enough to actually stake a vacation (never mind a life) on? Nobody ought to get upset thinking I'm talking about anyone particular, as I can think offhand of a half dozen computers and handsets that all went the same way to production. Good links, Mike. Living in flight research and test on a daily basis, this just seems so obvious, but to garage-designers it seems to be "new" news. Dave . |
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: Life critrical system - explanation Not one mention of SIL? pah.... thought it was going to be a revisit to my past for a minute there ![]()
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: Life critrical system - explanation This section is very interesting when considering all the perspectives involved in producing a rebreather. The last sentence is particularly relevant. Quote: When does safety stop, where does reliability begin? Assume there is a new design for a submarine. In the first case, as the prototype of the submarine is being moved to the testing tank, the main hatch falls off. This would be easily defined as an unreliable hatch. Now the submarine is submerged to 10,000 feet, whereupon the hatch falls off again, and all on board are killed. The failure is the same in both cases, but in the second case it becomes a safety issue. Most people tend to judge risk on the basis of the likelihood of occurrence. Other people judge risk on the basis of their magnitude of regret, and are likely unwilling to accept risk no matter how unlikely the event. The former make good reliability engineers, the latter make good safety engineers. Now let us say there is a need to design a Humvee with a rocket launcher attached. The reliability engineer could make a good case for installing launch switches all over the vehicle, making it very likely someone can reach one and launch the rocket. The safety engineer could make an equally compelling case for putting only two switches at opposite ends of the vehicle which must both be thrown to launch the rocket, thus ensuring the likelihood of an inadvertent launch was small. An additional irony is that it is unlikely that the two engineers can reconcile their differences, in which case a manager who doesn't understand the technology could choose one design over the other based on other criteria, like cost of manufacturing.
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![]() ![]() ![]() | Re: Life critrical system - explanation Some useful reading, helps clarify terminology and accepted design methodology and safety tools/protocals employed:- Too funny. I teach software design at a local University. We will not accept Wikipedia as a valid academic reference. You can use Wikipedia to get a general idea of the subject, but then you have to find actual referreed publications for references.Life-critical system - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia see link Safety engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia and Safety engineering - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia -S |
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