The perfect rebreather

Hanssing · 20th September 2007, 10:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver)

What about a different way to remove the CO2.

Something like a filter, so less bulky and no need to refill.

Ligst and algae can du that, and even provide you with the O2.....
Just need the size to get down.....

Hows that for Rebreather: only Carbon-waste preferrably in diamonds. Here honey, and a long dive today, made you some ICE

depth · 20th September 2007, 11:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai)

I can see it now,

--Unrealistic idea--
Authorities: OK Mr Manufacturer, what does the diagnostic download tell us?
Manufacturer: It says the controller ****ed up and killed him.
Authorities: Hands behind your back now sir, you're coming with us.
Manufacturer: It's a fair cop, society is to blame.

--Reality--
Authorities: OK Mr Manufacturer, what does the diagnostic download tell us?
Manufacturer: It says the equipment was working perfectly.
Authorities: Thankyou very much sir, on your way now.
Manufacturer: (Wipes brow and keeps quiet)

Cheers,
Jason.

Hi Jason

He he, I see your point.

But look at it this way then:

Rebreather manufactures produce sophisticated life support systems that we rely on. Unfortunately, we sometimes loose a fellow Rebreather diver and the source to the accident is seldom found. In my opinion, we are guinee pigs and no one are actively doing anything to log what causes accidents on the units (correct me if I am wrong) except for laboratory experiments and skilled test pilots.
If we don't set any demands to the manufacturers, we will unnecessarily keep loosing fellow divers. It is impossible to correct something if you don't know what went wrong!

Example:

Here mr. diver, this a new well tested unit, take it for a dive... The diver goes in the water but doesn't come back. 1 month later they find him, but the unit is now in bad shape and they are not able to locate the problem. They believe it was a faulty valve, so they change the design.
Then they give the new model to another diver, and he goes in the water. He doesn't come back either! A month later they find him, they can not see the problem but believe it has something to do with the software. So they change the software and put in in production again.... They give the unit to a new diver and...... and so on....

Maybe we should demand that the rebreathers are monitored and logged, this way we could learn x10000 faster.

Safe diving

Christian

decoweenie · 20th September 2007, 11:26

Mentioned on other thread, Vision and Shearwater are capable to recording usual dive parameters.

Woz · 20th September 2007, 11:43

How about a little solar cell in the handsets so they recharge the batteries while out of the water so you never, ever have to change handset batteries?

**fireman** · 20th September 2007, 13:04

It already is for sale--rEvo...Modular robust expandable and cute.
Proud owner in class at Dutch Springs--I'd say more, but I've gota go dive.

Mikel-Deko · 20th September 2007, 13:14

I've got it

Calssic inspi+ BMCL kit from Paul Channing+rEvodream and HUD

Just enaught

uvbraze · 27th January 2008, 16:14

First of all we will only build a rebreather that will set the rules as it fails for the next one to be designed. So for me the perfect rebreather would be the one by which we could learn the most from when it fails. After a test or failure most if not all the components used should reveal upon inspection the information needed to determine if it did or did not contribute to the cause of any problem or failed test.

The dive computers and PPO2 electronics are at the top of my list. Most of these on the market today are shrouded and protected secrets. The fact that they're an unknown variable in the problem solving process is just an unexceptable idea in true research. The perfect rebreather is one that can be completely studied on every variable. To remove a potenial component or system from consideration will never yeild a 100% confidence in a failure analysis report.

So for myself the perfect rebreather is one that can always be completeley studied. Perfection is and always will be something that can be improved upon once witnessed.

always learning,
Ray

mountain diver · 27th January 2008, 23:37

how's about one that monitors your blood gases, this would truly be a unit
that could interface human and machine.

all the best.

**fireman** · 28th January 2008, 03:01

If my rEvo blew me after divng then turned into a pizza and a six pack of beer...

teksimple · 29th January 2008, 16:52

Quote: (Originally Posted by depth)

So here goes, If I had a fleet of engineers that could design what i wanted, this is what my rebreather would contain/look like:

What, did you take the specs right out of the Jumanji rebreather manual? Caveseeker7 acquired the full rights to the Jumanji unit, and I am sure he would be upset if you got away with taking credit for all these "revolutionary" specs.

Caveseeker7? Where are you? You see what is going on here?

20th September 2007, 10:58	#11 (permalink)
Hanssing flap-flop ..... flap-flop Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Denmark Posts: 407	Re: The perfect rebreather Quote: (Originally Posted by PCDiver) What about a different way to remove the CO2. Something like a filter, so less bulky and no need to refill. Ligst and algae can du that, and even provide you with the O2..... Just need the size to get down..... Hows that for Rebreather: only Carbon-waste preferrably in diamonds. Here honey, and a long dive today, made you some ICE __________________ Woohooo - I can change my rEvo! Its going to be bitchin' tricked out piece of gear
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20th September 2007, 11:09	#12 (permalink)
depth Christian Rasmussen Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 189	Re: The perfect rebreather Quote: (Originally Posted by koputai) I can see it now, --Unrealistic idea-- Authorities: OK Mr Manufacturer, what does the diagnostic download tell us? Manufacturer: It says the controller ****ed up and killed him. Authorities: Hands behind your back now sir, you're coming with us. Manufacturer: It's a fair cop, society is to blame. --Reality-- Authorities: OK Mr Manufacturer, what does the diagnostic download tell us? Manufacturer: It says the equipment was working perfectly. Authorities: Thankyou very much sir, on your way now. Manufacturer: (Wipes brow and keeps quiet) Cheers, Jason. Hi Jason He he, I see your point. But look at it this way then: Rebreather manufactures produce sophisticated life support systems that we rely on. Unfortunately, we sometimes loose a fellow Rebreather diver and the source to the accident is seldom found. In my opinion, we are guinee pigs and no one are actively doing anything to log what causes accidents on the units (correct me if I am wrong) except for laboratory experiments and skilled test pilots. If we don't set any demands to the manufacturers, we will unnecessarily keep loosing fellow divers. It is impossible to correct something if you don't know what went wrong! Example: Here mr. diver, this a new well tested unit, take it for a dive... The diver goes in the water but doesn't come back. 1 month later they find him, but the unit is now in bad shape and they are not able to locate the problem. They believe it was a faulty valve, so they change the design. Then they give the new model to another diver, and he goes in the water. He doesn't come back either! A month later they find him, they can not see the problem but believe it has something to do with the software. So they change the software and put in in production again.... They give the unit to a new diver and...... and so on.... Maybe we should demand that the rebreathers are monitored and logged, this way we could learn x10000 faster. Safe diving Christian __________________ I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not qualified to make my own meg batteries!!! I am not.............
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20th September 2007, 11:26	#13 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: The perfect rebreather Mentioned on other thread, Vision and Shearwater are capable to recording usual dive parameters. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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20th September 2007, 11:43	#14 (permalink)
Woz Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Nottingham Posts: 185	Re: The perfect rebreather How about a little solar cell in the handsets so they recharge the batteries while out of the water so you never, ever have to change handset batteries? __________________ Still punting shiny diving tatt to gullible divers www.kitfondle.co.uk
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20th September 2007, 13:04	#15 (permalink)
fireman rEvo combat swimmer Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 526	Re: The perfect rebreather It already is for sale--rEvo...Modular robust expandable and cute. Proud owner in class at Dutch Springs--I'd say more, but I've gota go dive. __________________ Heres to you Capt. Bill Never Forget, and stay safe everyone.
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20th September 2007, 13:14	#16 (permalink)
Mikel-Deko Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Basque Country -Sp- Posts: 448	Re: The perfect rebreather I've got it Calssic inspi+ BMCL kit from Paul Channing+rEvodream and HUD Just enaught __________________ Mikel-Deko Basque Country www.olatu.net "DIR is the nanny state for divers who cannot think on their own" Ron Micjan
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27th January 2008, 16:14	#17 (permalink)
uvbraze New Member Current Rebreather/s: Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Indiana Posts: 9	Re: The perfect rebreather First of all we will only build a rebreather that will set the rules as it fails for the next one to be designed. So for me the perfect rebreather would be the one by which we could learn the most from when it fails. After a test or failure most if not all the components used should reveal upon inspection the information needed to determine if it did or did not contribute to the cause of any problem or failed test. The dive computers and PPO2 electronics are at the top of my list. Most of these on the market today are shrouded and protected secrets. The fact that they're an unknown variable in the problem solving process is just an unexceptable idea in true research. The perfect rebreather is one that can be completely studied on every variable. To remove a potenial component or system from consideration will never yeild a 100% confidence in a failure analysis report. So for myself the perfect rebreather is one that can always be completeley studied. Perfection is and always will be something that can be improved upon once witnessed. always learning, Ray
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27th January 2008, 23:37	#18 (permalink)
mountain diver Silent Lucidity Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: edmonton, ab. Posts: 209	Re: The perfect rebreather how's about one that monitors your blood gases, this would truly be a unit that could interface human and machine. all the best.
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28th January 2008, 03:01	#19 (permalink)
fireman rEvo combat swimmer Current Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: rEvo Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: chicago Posts: 526	Re: The perfect rebreather If my rEvo blew me after divng then turned into a pizza and a six pack of beer... __________________ Heres to you Capt. Bill Never Forget, and stay safe everyone.
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29th January 2008, 16:52	#20 (permalink)
teksimple Enlightened Alpinist Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Back in Hawaii Posts: 502	Re: The perfect rebreather Quote: (Originally Posted by depth) So here goes, If I had a fleet of engineers that could design what i wanted, this is what my rebreather would contain/look like: What, did you take the specs right out of the Jumanji rebreather manual? Caveseeker7 acquired the full rights to the Jumanji unit, and I am sure he would be upset if you got away with taking credit for all these "revolutionary" specs. Caveseeker7? Where are you? You see what is going on here? __________________ ---- _____________ "I don't know the percentage of the Internet that's valid, do you? Jesus, it's scary." - Hunter S. Thompson
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