Want to help design a new rebreather?

***EBT*** · 18th September 2007, 23:06

Quote: (Originally Posted by REEFSTATION)

I THINK THE WAY THE REBREATHERS MIX THE GAS NEED SOME WORK.
ie: WHEN THE GAS IS ADDED TO THE LOOP SHOULD IT BE DIRECTED TO A FAN DRIVEN MIXING TUBE AND SUPER MIXED ?
and then sensored as correctly mixed signaling a valve that finally allows it to reach the diver..........

totally agree. why use a simple solution when you could add a load of twaddle and make it complex. Tell us again about your vapourware?

zoo_diver · 19th September 2007, 00:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by REEFSTATION)

AHHHHHHHHH......... SUPERMIXED AND SENSORED GAS REBREATHER .
MAN THATS OUT

Well you've got me here. I am totally lost. I'm going to go SUPERMIX me a malt shake and enjoy some chips and salsa.

Cheers!

DanFountain · 19th September 2007, 12:55

Quote: (Originally Posted by REEFSTATION)

[drip

Excuse my ignorance, but what does "drip" mean when used in the context of a monosyllabic response to a post?

***sadave*** · 19th September 2007, 13:04

It means he's posted a lot more, but later decided to edit / remove his post, replacing it with "drip"...

**PhilSiswick** · 19th September 2007, 13:25

Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave)

It means he's posted a lot more, but later decided to edit / remove his post, replacing it with "drip"...

And the point of that is? An interesting new trolling technique?

Ben Field · 19th September 2007, 15:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick)

And the point of that is? An interesting new trolling technique?

Its means he's half an Expert, Ex=Has been, Spirt= Drip under pressure.

..... Taxi?!

**PhilSiswick** · 19th September 2007, 15:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field)

Its means he's half an Expert, Ex=Has been, Spirt= Drip under pressure.

..... Taxi?!

An expert troll. Something to aspire to

Help!

otterinaround · 2nd October 2007, 21:19

DID someone say nearly indestructable! I'm SO IN!! I love the idea of open source as we can all swap ideas. This constantly happens with the guys I am around here in Lebanon. Out here we have guys who work and machine parts for a living ALL OVER THE PLACE. It's easier to machine it than get the stock part from Germany.

It lead to a redesign on my reel that can now take the captain dropping a deco bottle down the shoot line! YEAH I tested it! Cool huh?!?

They work stainless and marine aluminum like it was plastic.
They are more than comfortable doing one offs and love the idea of a challenge.
The trouble is getting the stuff out of the country.

Anyone up for a vacation to work on this?

My trouble is the electronics and servos but cases and lungs I can tackle
P.S. Just to vote in I'm loving the radial scrubber.

seeboth · 5th January 2008, 02:04

Hi everyone,
this topic is great, I came to this site because I am currently an Industial Design student and I am working on designing a prototype rebreather for a long term school/ personal project.

What I came here for is some user opinions, I read this thread and in my opinion the best way to get this progect going is to list design feature you, as rebreather divers, want to see in a rebreather. Stuff like size, bottle configuration, the problems you notice with your current system, because these are the comments designers are trained to look for a base a design around. Its far to early in the design process to talk a bout materials and building methods.

Another good resource would be if any one has the plans to exhisting models or homebuilds, if these were posted for everyone to review they could spur great ideas.

I have a solidworks model partially built for my early design I could post soon. Its based of a simple design using any regulator first stage (the model uses atomic m1 first stages) and any size bottles (model uses 40's, a common size any one probably already has 2, probably over kill, but any size will fit) mounted horizontally on the lower half of a modified single tank adaptor. The scubber canister is mounted horizontally as well above the tanks on ths adaptor. The counter lungs are modular and could either be mounted on the back (on either side of the scubber) or over over the shoulder, depending on which counter lung style you select. The unit itself could be set up on any backplate and wing set up you like.

I am sort of working in the blind though since I've only really used a ccr in demos. Id love to get one, but its hard enough to buy open circuit gear when you have to pay tuition, so any comment you guys have I would love to intgrate into my design.

thanks

big bootie bottom · 16th February 2008, 04:44

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

I am sure you have seen the thread on CO2 testing, at the end of it Alex proposes utilising our collective experience to help design an open source rebreather - we could call it the Rebreather World Revolution ;-)

Everything about it open with the testing published for all to see and comment on and help influence the design...

Well anyway - if there is positive feedback on this I am happy to get Rebreather World involved in this formally and provide the 40gb web space needed and have Rebreather World host the development forums....

So vote and let us know please....plus any ideas.....

Stuart

stuart ,now see what you did??? you went and woke up all the jail house lawer's out there, now they will want us all to DO AS THEY SAY, AND NOT AS THEY DO .....

18th September 2007, 23:06	#31 (permalink)
*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,978	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by REEFSTATION) I THINK THE WAY THE REBREATHERS MIX THE GAS NEED SOME WORK. ie: WHEN THE GAS IS ADDED TO THE LOOP SHOULD IT BE DIRECTED TO A FAN DRIVEN MIXING TUBE AND SUPER MIXED ? and then sensored as correctly mixed signaling a valve that finally allows it to reach the diver.......... totally agree. why use a simple solution when you could add a load of twaddle and make it complex. Tell us again about your vapourware? __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Last edited by EBT : 18th September 2007 at 23:34.
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19th September 2007, 00:08	#32 (permalink)
zoo_diver Is it snack time yet? Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Megalodon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Suffolk, VA Posts: 259	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by REEFSTATION) AHHHHHHHHH......... SUPERMIXED AND SENSORED GAS REBREATHER . MAN THATS OUT Well you've got me here. I am totally lost. I'm going to go SUPERMIX me a malt shake and enjoy some chips and salsa. Cheers!
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19th September 2007, 12:55	#33 (permalink)
DanFountain This is my custom title! Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lake Superior Posts: 104	Drip? Quote: (Originally Posted by REEFSTATION) [drip Excuse my ignorance, but what does "drip" mean when used in the context of a monosyllabic response to a post? __________________ Try not. Do - or do not. There is no try. -Yoda
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19th September 2007, 13:04	#34 (permalink)
*sadave* Waiting... Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Classic Kiss Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Brisbane, Queensland Posts: 1,044	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? It means he's posted a lot more, but later decided to edit / remove his post, replacing it with "drip"... __________________ Wave!
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19th September 2007, 13:25	#35 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,008	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by sadave) It means he's posted a lot more, but later decided to edit / remove his post, replacing it with "drip"... And the point of that is? An interesting new trolling technique? __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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19th September 2007, 15:14	#36 (permalink)
Ben Field CK+Shearwater Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: London, England Posts: 1,631	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by PhilSiswick) And the point of that is? An interesting new trolling technique? Its means he's half an Expert, Ex=Has been, Spirt= Drip under pressure. ..... Taxi?! __________________ Know your PPO2, Pre-breath, Use checklists, Validate cells at 6mtrs, Use pure O2 at or near surface, Use a BOV, Don't dive Solo, Change Slime and Cells as recommended by Manufacturer and RTFM! Beware Fridge Suck! www.hugsac.org.uk
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19th September 2007, 15:17	#37 (permalink)
PhilSiswick Phil Siswick, Tango Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oxford, UK Posts: 1,008	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by Ben Field) Its means he's half an Expert, Ex=Has been, Spirt= Drip under pressure. ..... Taxi?! An expert troll. Something to aspire to Help! __________________ Phil (WSKD 0001) I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007 The person who gets the farthest is generally the one who is willing to do and dare. The sure thing boat never gets far from shore. Charles A. Lindbergh www.hugsac.org.uk
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2nd October 2007, 21:19	#38 (permalink)
otterinaround Smeagle-the dive carnival Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Lebanon Posts: 66	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? DID someone say nearly indestructable! I'm SO IN!! I love the idea of open source as we can all swap ideas. This constantly happens with the guys I am around here in Lebanon. Out here we have guys who work and machine parts for a living ALL OVER THE PLACE. It's easier to machine it than get the stock part from Germany. It lead to a redesign on my reel that can now take the captain dropping a deco bottle down the shoot line! YEAH I tested it! Cool huh?!? They work stainless and marine aluminum like it was plastic. They are more than comfortable doing one offs and love the idea of a challenge. The trouble is getting the stuff out of the country. Anyone up for a vacation to work on this? My trouble is the electronics and servos but cases and lungs I can tackle P.S. Just to vote in I'm loving the radial scrubber. __________________ Started as a free diver .Moved on to scuba and advanced at Penn State Uni. 1998. Took up Nitrox while I got evacuated from the War in Beirut Summer of 2005. Began training in tech, advanced Nitrox and Trimix/HELIOX summer 2007... Starting Rebreathing on an Optima....Ouroboros...whenever I find someone to buy my other kidney.
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5th January 2008, 02:04	#39 (permalink)
seeboth New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Wisconsin, United States Posts: 46	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Hi everyone, this topic is great, I came to this site because I am currently an Industial Design student and I am working on designing a prototype rebreather for a long term school/ personal project. What I came here for is some user opinions, I read this thread and in my opinion the best way to get this progect going is to list design feature you, as rebreather divers, want to see in a rebreather. Stuff like size, bottle configuration, the problems you notice with your current system, because these are the comments designers are trained to look for a base a design around. Its far to early in the design process to talk a bout materials and building methods. Another good resource would be if any one has the plans to exhisting models or homebuilds, if these were posted for everyone to review they could spur great ideas. I have a solidworks model partially built for my early design I could post soon. Its based of a simple design using any regulator first stage (the model uses atomic m1 first stages) and any size bottles (model uses 40's, a common size any one probably already has 2, probably over kill, but any size will fit) mounted horizontally on the lower half of a modified single tank adaptor. The scubber canister is mounted horizontally as well above the tanks on ths adaptor. The counter lungs are modular and could either be mounted on the back (on either side of the scubber) or over over the shoulder, depending on which counter lung style you select. The unit itself could be set up on any backplate and wing set up you like. I am sort of working in the blind though since I've only really used a ccr in demos. Id love to get one, but its hard enough to buy open circuit gear when you have to pay tuition, so any comment you guys have I would love to intgrate into my design. thanks
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16th February 2008, 04:44	#40 (permalink)
big bootie bottom New Member Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: arizonia USA Posts: 7	Re: Want to help design a new rebreather? Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) I am sure you have seen the thread on CO2 testing, at the end of it Alex proposes utilising our collective experience to help design an open source rebreather - we could call it the Rebreather World Revolution ;-) Everything about it open with the testing published for all to see and comment on and help influence the design... Well anyway - if there is positive feedback on this I am happy to get Rebreather World involved in this formally and provide the 40gb web space needed and have Rebreather World host the development forums.... So vote and let us know please....plus any ideas..... Stuart stuart ,now see what you did??? you went and woke up all the jail house lawer's out there, now they will want us all to DO AS THEY SAY, AND NOT AS THEY DO .....
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