Cave Associations Membership Poll

dgschott · 9th December 2006, 05:59

I am a life member in the CDS, and a 5 year member in the NACD

decoweenie · 9th December 2006, 06:05

9: none of the above.

dgschott · 9th December 2006, 06:10

Lol! Damn... I knew I'd forget something...... If a moderator wants to add that as #9, that's ok with me, or otherwise, just don't vote ;-)

Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie)

9: none of the above.

cedricverdier · 9th December 2006, 07:14

Hi,

Would it be possible to know the goal of this poll?

Do you have any concern about one or both associations?
Do you want to share your opinion about these associations?

Cheers

caver95 · 9th December 2006, 08:54

What about a cave instructor that is none of the above?

***EBT*** · 9th December 2006, 09:02

That'd be the last item.... which incidentally is what I ticked.

AMW · 9th December 2006, 09:24

CDG founded 1946

Andrew

**trob09** · 9th December 2006, 11:15

I am a cave diver but have joined neither organization that you list due to their decidedly local mindset.

hchoat · 9th December 2006, 11:44

OK, this one is dificult, as I fall into multiple categories.

1. I am a non- instructor member of the NSS-CDS (as I am not a CDS instructor).

2. I am a former instructor-member of the NACD. I resigned the beginning of November for a number of reasons- which I'll be happy to elaborate if anyone is interested.

3. I am a Cave Diving instructor for another entity (NAUI).

Now I'm off to teach Cave Diving.... in sub freezing temps grrrrrrr.

Joe · 9th December 2006, 12:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09)

I am a cave diver but have joined neither organization that you list due to their decidedly local mindset.

I am a member of both organizations who publically urged people to not renew their memberships for reasons similar to yours but was approached by NSS-CDS BOD members who were proactive and constructive in their approach to some of the things I expressed dissatisfaction with. Rather than take my toys and go home I have (publically) decided to stay and play a bit more it the sand box in the hopes of seeing some changes.

Only time will tell, but IMO, the concept behind these organizations makes them worth putting a little effort into fixing that which appears to be broken.

I think the agency role has been confused over the years. They were originally intended to promote cave conservation and teach and develop methods of safe cave diving. IMO, they have evolved into commercial training agencies whose broad scope presents a conflict of interest. The training now belongs in the private sector. The role of the agencies should be to stand watch dog over what the private sector is doing and lending their collective expertise to the development of safer methodology.

View Poll Results: Cave Membership Associations Poll
Are you a non-instructor member of the NSS-CDS?	8	13.33%
Are you a non-instructor member of the NACD?	4	6.67%
Are you a non-instructor member of the NSS-CDD & NACD?	4	6.67%
Are you an instructor & member of the NSS-CDS?	0	0%
Are you an instructor & member of the NACD?	1	1.67%
Are you an instructor member of the NSS-CDS & NACD?	1	1.67%
Were you a member of the NSS-CDS & dropped your membership?	5	8.33%
Were you a member of the NACD & dropped your membership?	3	5.00%
Cave Diver, but never a member of any association	34	56.67%
Voters: 60. You may not vote on this poll

9th December 2006, 05:59	#1 (permalink)
dgschott Liquid Productions, LLC Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 115	Cave Associations Membership Poll I am a life member in the CDS, and a 5 year member in the NACD __________________ David Schott Liquid Productions, LLC Last edited by dgschott : 9th December 2006 at 06:06.
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9th December 2006, 06:05	#2 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,487	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll 9: none of the above. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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9th December 2006, 06:10	#3 (permalink)
dgschott Liquid Productions, LLC Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aston, PA Posts: 115	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll Lol! Damn... I knew I'd forget something...... If a moderator wants to add that as #9, that's ok with me, or otherwise, just don't vote ;-) Quote: (Originally Posted by decoweenie) 9: none of the above. __________________ David Schott Liquid Productions, LLC
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9th December 2006, 07:14	#4 (permalink)
cedricverdier S21 M.I.B. Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide! Posts: 497	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll Hi, Would it be possible to know the goal of this poll? Do you have any concern about one or both associations? Do you want to share your opinion about these associations? Cheers __________________ Cedric Verdier PADI Course Director, ANDI-IANTD-PSAI-TDI-DSAT-DAN-NAUI-CMAS Instructor Trainer Trimix (CCR and OC) and Cave Diving Instructor Trainer www.CedricVerdier.com DIRrebreather member
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9th December 2006, 08:54	#5 (permalink)
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*EBT* Apprentice Luddite Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: UK, Brighton Posts: 1,969	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll That'd be the last item.... which incidentally is what I ticked. __________________ Eagles May Soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines! Rebreather World Terms of service Real diving t-shirts for real divers
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9th December 2006, 09:24	#7 (permalink)
AMW Andrew Martin Ward Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Cam ,Glos, England Posts: 171	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll CDG founded 1946 Andrew __________________ AMW Blog (very poor effort :-) http://a-m-ward.blogspot.com/ http://amward.myblogsite.com/ Lot ,France cave diving sites and area resources. www.lot46.com Caving and cave diving photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/amward/
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9th December 2006, 11:15	#8 (permalink)
trob09 . Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Feb 2005 Posts: 699	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll I am a cave diver but have joined neither organization that you list due to their decidedly local mindset.
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9th December 2006, 11:44	#9 (permalink)
hchoat Resident Selkie Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Pensacola, FL- USA Posts: 227	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll OK, this one is dificult, as I fall into multiple categories. 1. I am a non- instructor member of the NSS-CDS (as I am not a CDS instructor). 2. I am a former instructor-member of the NACD. I resigned the beginning of November for a number of reasons- which I'll be happy to elaborate if anyone is interested. 3. I am a Cave Diving instructor for another entity (NAUI). Now I'm off to teach Cave Diving.... in sub freezing temps grrrrrrr. __________________ Duct tape is like the force... it has a light side and dark side, and it holds the universe together.
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9th December 2006, 12:23	#10 (permalink)
Joe Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Florida, USA Posts: 271	Re: Cave Associations Membership Poll Quote: (Originally Posted by trob09) I am a cave diver but have joined neither organization that you list due to their decidedly local mindset. I am a member of both organizations who publically urged people to not renew their memberships for reasons similar to yours but was approached by NSS-CDS BOD members who were proactive and constructive in their approach to some of the things I expressed dissatisfaction with. Rather than take my toys and go home I have (publically) decided to stay and play a bit more it the sand box in the hopes of seeing some changes. Only time will tell, but IMO, the concept behind these organizations makes them worth putting a little effort into fixing that which appears to be broken. I think the agency role has been confused over the years. They were originally intended to promote cave conservation and teach and develop methods of safe cave diving. IMO, they have evolved into commercial training agencies whose broad scope presents a conflict of interest. The training now belongs in the private sector. The role of the agencies should be to stand watch dog over what the private sector is doing and lending their collective expertise to the development of safer methodology.
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