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30th October 2005, 06:09
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| Custom Title Allowed!   Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005
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  | Side mount CCR - options/advice Hi, I have been thinking about a side mount Rebreather quite a bit recently. I think its the next step in my diving. The wrecks apear to be getting smaller and as Im getting into cave diving a low profile side mounted Rebreather that can be unclipped and pushed through openings etc would be nice. Does anyone have any experience with side mount they would like to share. Some questions I have; What designs work best? Anyone building them to sell? What is WOB like (I presume good if its side slung at the same level as the centroid) Pros, cons or anything else to share? Cheers Mike
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30th October 2005, 07:08
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| Crash Test Dummy  Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Mike, AFAIK, a few people have dived them already:
Another idea we have been tossing around is adding an accordion CL to the Inspiration scrubber. A few days ago, I just bought a horizontal Inspiration scrubber which the original seller had made with the idea to build a dual-CCR unit. And hopefully in a few weeks, I might be able to let you know if you could side-sling a C96 as bail-out CCR...  Too many wishful-thinking projects and not enough time to work on them all... 
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30th October 2005, 08:43
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| Deep Cave Explorer  Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Join Date: May 2005 Location: France
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice  attracted by the dark side of small caves you are  The problem Mike is finding a side mounted (aka Bail Out reBreather) that will match you're 15.5 !!! of course I'm not speaking about fashion, color, style BUT mainly about finding a BOB who will work as well as your 15.5 The cave diving community is usually one step forward, and since 6-7 years they developed and used BOB, at the beginning mainly SCR (ex Joker) and nowadays CCR: Joki = mCCR (kiss or micrometric valve) limited production (+/-20) 2 cells 1 bag inspi quality 14/20 ergonomy 18/20 http://www.recycleur.net/index.php?p...m_cat&cat_id=6 DDD = mCCR (kiss or micrometric valve + HUD) very limited production (+/-6) 2 or 3 cells 2 bags ; - ) quality 18/20 ergonomy 16/20 http://deepdevildiver.free.fr/Recycl...esentation.htm EDO 06 or 08 = mCCR (kiss or micrometric valve) (limited production +/-4) 2 or 3 cells 1 bag expi quality 16/20 ergonomy 16/20 http://www.stde.ch/ and very soon Ouroboros BOB side mounted  mCCR or ECCR (design not revealed yet and Top Secret)For the Joker/Joki/DDD/EDO: Top compartment: ADV + cells Middle compartment: 1 or 2 breathing bag w OPV Bottom compartment: scrubber usually axial w O2 intake May the force be with you young BOB user  Last edited by DrJM : 30th October 2005 at 08:52. |
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30th October 2005, 12:57
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| Who loves ya, baby   Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland
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  | Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Thanks for the detailed reply, Jerome. Mike, as you probably saw in the DEMA gallery Chris from Tech Blue brought a Joker to the show and has plans to sell them. I'll cover that in the second part of my DEMA report which should be online in a day or two.
__________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!" |
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30th October 2005, 14:28
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| O2ptima Test Dummy    Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Megalodon Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Optima Titan Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Florida
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Thanks for the detailed reply, Jerome. Chris's unit was real interesting I can't wait for a chance to put one through it's paces.Mike, as you probably saw in the DEMA gallery Chris from Tech Blue brought a Joker to the show and has plans to sell them. I'll cover that in the second part of my DEMA report which should be online in a day or two.  |
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31st October 2005, 09:47
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| Sump Monster  Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Wells, Somerset, UK
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Quote: (Originally Posted by Drmike) Hi, All the sidemount designs I have come across have the counterlung (usually a single CL on the exhale side) above the scrubber. WOB is good though since the CL/'s is/are enclosed you might have to take puppy breaths. Jerome has pretty much covered what's out there.Does anyone have any experience with side mount they would like to share. Some questions I have; What designs work best? Anyone building them to sell? What is WOB like (I presume good if its side slung at the same level as the centroid) Pros, cons or anything else to share? John Volanthen (who reads this forum) has a Joki and has used it for cave exploration in Wookey Hole and as a bail out amongst others. Rick Stanton has also made a sidemount unit and has used it widely and deeply - he's doing a limited production run I believe. John also has a modified C-98 which is a very nice chest mounted unit. I've built 4 D5's two of which are in Florida and the other two lie largely unused in my spare bedroom. I have mainly used them for cave surveying as they give you lots of time to take notes and don't mess up the vis like OC does. The sort of cave diving I'm interested in doesn't favour rebreathers. |
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31st October 2005, 11:25
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| Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: MK 15.X Ouroboros Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Thans guys - thats good info/leads for me to follow up on. Cheers Mike
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1st November 2005, 04:16
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| S21 M.I.B.   Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Sport Kiss Classic Kiss Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Worldwide!
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 | Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Hi Mike, A side-mounted CCR was also in my mind since quite a while. Unfortunately I didn't find anything 100% convincing so far. My best experienced was with the DecoRider (DDD). I also tried a side-mounted KISS but found it slightly bulky. So if you find anything interesting, just let us know! Cheers
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2nd November 2005, 08:44
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| DeepDevilDiver  Current Rebreather/s: Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Home Build Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: France - Cote d'Azur
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Hi DrJM, Hi Cedric, To complete your info on our DDD, 7 units "around the world" : 1 in UK (DrJM), Nearly 1 in Vanuatu, and the others in France. We did mod's with DrJM advices, and 2 CL are very comfortable. We wait you to test the last version Cedric...  .See you. Bertrand. |
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2nd November 2005, 09:11
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| Prism Cave Diver  Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Melbourne Australia
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| Re: Side mount CCR - options/advice Hello Bertrand, I too am eagerly awaiting the report from the Vanuatu correspondent... Cheers, JDZ |
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