CCR Death in Florida

***schford*** · 26th November 2005, 16:03

Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve)

I suppose my point could best be summed up by asking a question. What did a CCR have to do with this poor chap's death? I see no value in even mentioning diving when trying to find out about unfortunate events like this. Mike summed up what I mean well. Sorry to get in the way of people trying to find out about the loss of a mate.

If the moderators feel like altering threads in the future, please consider what people have written. I have been made to look like a ***** by these amendments which is particularly upseting given the topic.

what amendments? - I changed the title to CCR as you were having a pop about it being called a Meg death.

I am still not sure why yo are giving Mel a hard time when she did not even start the thread!

I am confused now!

CCR900 · 26th November 2005, 18:45

Hi i'm new to the list so please forgive me for adding to a fairly emotive subject.

Would I be correct in saying that this sad loss involved a diver using a CCR?
If true then is it not important to raise the issue and try and find out what went wrong?
The diver is an intergal part of a CCR, if divers keep dying then something needs to change be it the diver or machine, no?
Not all CCR's are 100% safe, name one that is, it would be ashame to always assume an accident is always human error.

Fil

decoweenie · 26th November 2005, 20:10

Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900)

Would I be correct in saying that this sad loss involved a diver using a CCR?
If true then is it not important to raise the issue and try and find out what went wrong?
The diver is an intergal part of a CCR, if divers keep dying then something needs to change be it the diver or machine, no?
Not all CCR's are 100% safe, name one that is, it would be ashame to always assume an accident is always human error.

Amen!

edster · 26th November 2005, 21:56

It's certainly been a depressing year on the number of deaths, even my normally sanguine nature is beginning to take a bit of a battering. Please everyone, let's let actual facts some to the fore, otherwise spend you energy on considering the friends and relatives.

regards

Ed

shell-back · 26th November 2005, 22:56

I'm amazed at this twisted cycle that seems to follow any death related to diving rebreathers that has become a pattern.

In any other recreational industry, take for example Motor-cycles (street bikes) If a accindent occurs no one questions what brand of bike the rider using.

Ok closer to home ... Oc death does anyone ever question the regulator brand used ?

This is the exact mentality that keeps the industry infantile, with out growth.
this is why brand X is taught by this agency and brand Y is by this agency, hearsay that clouds the very judgement of those who issue our insurance and set our standards.

The very emotional discussion of the death has changed the name of the title ,yet the content has remanded the same, now the members of the forum are seeing the very thing we changed the title from.

I Apologize for straying from the aforementioned condolences to the family and friends of the Mr, Jones .
Peace be with you all.

silent running · 27th November 2005, 01:32

Quote: (Originally Posted by schford)

what amendments? - I changed the title to CCR as you were having a pop about it being called a Meg death.

I am still not sure why yo are giving Mel a hard time when she did not even start the thread!

I am confused now!

Hi Stuart, just so you know, when I first saw this thread yesterday, Mel's post appeared at the top of the 1st page. It was only after I checked back a few hrs later that I saw that she did not start the thread. Some kind of glitch? Did anyone else see this?-Andy

***caveseeker7*** · 27th November 2005, 01:54

Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running)

Mel's post appeared at the top of the 1st page. It was only after I checked back a few hrs later that I saw that she did not start the thread.

No glitch. Waynne started a thread in the intro forum (I asume because it was his first) 5 1/2 hours earlier. Bruce replied, then later Mel started this one in the proper forum. I merged the two because there is no sense having them separate and I merged them here because its right place for them to be. Posts stay in chronological oreder, hence Waynne's and Bruce's are the first two.

Bear · 27th November 2005, 02:50

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

No glitch. <snip> I merged the two because there is no sense having them separate and I merged them here because its right place for them to be.

Stefan,
as you know I am already a moderator/admin over on the DiveOz forums. It may be a better practice when splitting or merging posts that the moderator doing that makes a message to that effect... While I may not get it right every time, I do try to let people know why things change on those forums...

To the subject: Condolences to Zak's family during this time. No words can bring back a loved one but be proud of how highly he is regarded within the community.

***caveseeker7*** · 27th November 2005, 03:21

Point taken, didn't tyhink of it.

IIRC there were only one reply in each and the board was pertty empty.

***schford*** · 27th November 2005, 09:22

I get it too now- sorry Steve didn't understand.

Stuart

26th November 2005, 16:03	#21 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,671	Re: CCR Death in Florida Quote: (Originally Posted by Steve) I suppose my point could best be summed up by asking a question. What did a CCR have to do with this poor chap's death? I see no value in even mentioning diving when trying to find out about unfortunate events like this. Mike summed up what I mean well. Sorry to get in the way of people trying to find out about the loss of a mate. If the moderators feel like altering threads in the future, please consider what people have written. I have been made to look like a *** by these amendments which is particularly upseting given the topic. what amendments? - I changed the title to CCR as you were having a pop about it being called a Meg death. I am still not sure why yo are giving Mel a hard time when she did not even start the thread! I am confused now! __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only** bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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26th November 2005, 18:45	#22 (permalink)
CCR900 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Ouroboros Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: England Posts: 332	Re: CCR Death in Florida Hi i'm new to the list so please forgive me for adding to a fairly emotive subject. Would I be correct in saying that this sad loss involved a diver using a CCR? If true then is it not important to raise the issue and try and find out what went wrong? The diver is an intergal part of a CCR, if divers keep dying then something needs to change be it the diver or machine, no? Not all CCR's are 100% safe, name one that is, it would be ashame to always assume an accident is always human error. Fil
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26th November 2005, 20:10	#23 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: CCR Death in Florida Quote: (Originally Posted by CCR900) Would I be correct in saying that this sad loss involved a diver using a CCR? If true then is it not important to raise the issue and try and find out what went wrong? The diver is an intergal part of a CCR, if divers keep dying then something needs to change be it the diver or machine, no? Not all CCR's are 100% safe, name one that is, it would be ashame to always assume an accident is always human error. Amen! __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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26th November 2005, 21:56	#24 (permalink)
edster Mr Cheesebox Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Avening UK Posts: 149	Re: CCR Death in Florida It's certainly been a depressing year on the number of deaths, even my normally sanguine nature is beginning to take a bit of a battering. Please everyone, let's let actual facts some to the fore, otherwise spend you energy on considering the friends and relatives. regards Ed __________________
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26th November 2005, 22:56	#25 (permalink)
shell-back I do all my own stunts Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Ray Azimuth Other SCR Home Build Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: middle of US Posts: 481	Re: CCR Death in Florida I'm amazed at this twisted cycle that seems to follow any death related to diving rebreathers that has become a pattern. In any other recreational industry, take for example Motor-cycles (street bikes) If a accindent occurs no one questions what brand of bike the rider using. Ok closer to home ... Oc death does anyone ever question the regulator brand used ? This is the exact mentality that keeps the industry infantile, with out growth. this is why brand X is taught by this agency and brand Y is by this agency, hearsay that clouds the very judgement of those who issue our insurance and set our standards. The very emotional discussion of the death has changed the name of the title ,yet the content has remanded the same, now the members of the forum are seeing the very thing we changed the title from. I Apologize for straying from the aforementioned condolences to the family and friends of the Mr, Jones . Peace be with you all.
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27th November 2005, 01:32	#26 (permalink)
silent running Mature mouth breather Current Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: U.S.A. Brooklyn, New York Posts: 1,810	Re: CCR Death in Florida Quote: (Originally Posted by schford) what amendments? - I changed the title to CCR as you were having a pop about it being called a Meg death. I am still not sure why yo are giving Mel a hard time when she did not even start the thread! I am confused now! Hi Stuart, just so you know, when I first saw this thread yesterday, Mel's post appeared at the top of the 1st page. It was only after I checked back a few hrs later that I saw that she did not start the thread. Some kind of glitch? Did anyone else see this?-Andy
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27th November 2005, 01:54	#27 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,416	Re: CCR Death in Florida Quote: (Originally Posted by silent running) Mel's post appeared at the top of the 1st page. It was only after I checked back a few hrs later that I saw that she did not start the thread. No glitch. Waynne started a thread in the intro forum (I asume because it was his first) 5 1/2 hours earlier. Bruce replied, then later Mel started this one in the proper forum. I merged the two because there is no sense having them separate and I merged them here because its right place for them to be. Posts stay in chronological oreder, hence Waynne's and Bruce's are the first two. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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27th November 2005, 02:50	#28 (permalink)
Bear Smelling Dairy Air Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Dolphin Home Build Not Bought Yet Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 101	Re: CCR Death in Florida Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) No glitch. <snip> I merged the two because there is no sense having them separate and I merged them here because its right place for them to be. Stefan, as you know I am already a moderator/admin over on the DiveOz forums. It may be a better practice when splitting or merging posts that the moderator doing that makes a message to that effect... While I may not get it right every time, I do try to let people know why things change on those forums... To the subject: Condolences to Zak's family during this time. No words can bring back a loved one but be proud of how highly he is regarded within the community. __________________ http://www.victech.org VICTECH.ORG: A web resource for Technical Divers in Victoria
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27th November 2005, 03:21	#29 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,416	Re: CCR Death in Florida Point taken, didn't tyhink of it. IIRC there were only one reply in each and the board was pertty empty. __________________ Cheers Stefan "Political Correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end.'!"
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27th November 2005, 09:22	#30 (permalink)
*schford* Despotic Overlord Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: London, UK Posts: 3,671	Re: CCR Death in Florida I get it too now- sorry Steve didn't understand. Stuart __________________ Bailout and Kit Management account for Murphy's Law The only bad question is one you did not ask and later wish you had. Use of Rebreather World is subject to the Rebreather World Terms & Conditions of Use
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