Using the Power of Rebreather World to reduce issues.

lancsman

Hi All,

I read with sadness and self preservation interest the treads on this forum and wonder what we as a community can do to reduce the incidents.

Though we share and debate some times very heatedly the issues are we then following up with the manufacturer. As an individual if I had an issue I would let them know but I am just one person (currently not an owner) with a small voice. Perhaps a very active instructer would have a louder voice, but by far the loudest would be the voice of this community.

Could we not put together a single list of known issues on all Rebreather and include it a single open letter to all the manufacturers and ask them to post an open reply on these pages. This way we pove there is no bias, since we and the manufacturers see all and hopefully if one replies we can use it to shame the rest to reply.

When any one asks for advise on which Rebreather to buy we can point to the thread with the list of issues and the manufactures replies (or lack off) and let them use that information to make an informed decision on the type of company they would be buying from.

I know it will be difficult to agree the list of issues, but I am sure there is at leaste on diplomat on this forum who could mediate ( I am not the one I would loose it with some on here based on their previous post).

So what does the community think?

Can we use our collective voice and get the manufacturers to listen to us?

Cheers

Mark

nigelh

The problem is that you've already bought the idea that they don't listen.

A lot of the loudest voices have admitted vested interests or novel ideas and the mainstream manufacturers are not going to play the game of publicly debating with them. Trying to subvert Rebreather World into a pressure group to cause trouble should be resisted. I'm pretty sure what is written here is read because all manufacturers are watching for trends of problems with their products however none of them want to end up answering concept questions from people who prefer a different concept.

Are we influential? Look in the top right of the page. How many manufacturers are paying to be seen here?

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lancsman

Thanks for taking the time to answer. It does seam that on this forum people are full of advise for other issues but don't want to work as a group to try and fix it.

Coming from a consumer driven industry I remember the good times when there where more customer than we could provide for and some companies treated them as an after thought. Well when the market became saturated they soon started to listen or disappear, the good ones thought just kept growing. With what I see as the current attitude of the manufacturers a few will not survive when the market truely become customer driven, they should embrace any customer led iniative to help improve their products and we should be forcing them to do so. Why is it we are reluctant to do so but are happy to spend time targeting other members of the forum for their efforts?

KeythL

You write as if you have a problem with a manufacture, but your profile states that you don't currently own a rebreather. If that's the case, what's your problem?

If you are in the maket for a rebeather, do your homework and do buisness with the company you are most cofertable with. If you're not comfortable with any of them, make your own or go O.C. Simple. No need to insite riot against anyone elses choice.

DeepBlueInnovation

I think that was pretty uncalled for. He has expressed a concern in a positive manner, not insulting anyone or any product, but suggesting that a list of user-perceived issues be constructed. You will also note in his original post that he is very upfront about not owning a rebreather yet.

I have read no comment other than your own that is likely to be insulting or "incite riot"

p.s. If you use Firefox as a web client it will enable you to markedly improve your spelling.

Regards,

Ben.

aknelson

It was stated below. No one wants to know negative issues. Keep it positive... Just watch your work place.
For me are two aproches to change. First try to ask questions. If not answered or avoided. Work with others in your Business and with customers of your company. Here comes the best make sure the customer talks perfectly informed with a completely surprised VP level manager.
This has the best and quickest Impact especially at public events like trade shows or VP dinners with customers etc.
Sorry for the VP but if they don't get it internally good informed customer do the impact especially in public. It take on their Ego at best.

Andreas

Steve

Firefox may help with spelling but WTF is this?

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Andy Del

A good way to become unemployed?

There are issues with all rebreathers. As was mentioned, do your homework, make a choice and live with it. Do as necessary if you feel the need. Talk to the manufacturer if you have the interpersonal skills to do so.

If you feel the need to blind side them with a public washing of their product, along with some sort of letter of demands, then you may not get the response you hoped for! (this may sound familiar to some... )

A little honey catches more flies than a pot of vinegar!

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NickK

.............. Well when the market became saturated they soon started to listen or disappear, the good ones thought just kept growing. ...............
Ditto! You got an idea. Dive safe, Nick