Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring...

Canadian Tekdive · 12th March 2008, 18:14

Quote: (Originally Posted by 6Gill)

Out of the respect for the victim and his family I think it is grossly inappropriate to leak bits and pieces of info from the recovery team. Wait for the full IUCC report to be released to the cave community with the verifiable facts.

Well put.....

anything other then the report should be seen as speculation...and left alone.

Sad day for everyone and my thoughts go out to everyone. Family, Friends, and the hard job that Lamar and the recovery team does.

***caveseeker7*** · 12th March 2008, 19:46

Sounds nightmarish in a Kafkaesque kind of way, and is very sad.

Guys, IUCRR have been doing a very good job at collecting data at the rescue and recoveries they were involved in. They're well trained, very experienced, and have a sound protocol in place.

Just have a look at their website, this is likely one of those few times when some usable data actually is collected and becomes available.

Hats off to the recovery team, and condolences to the family and friends of the victim.

***jradomski*** · 12th March 2008, 20:58

Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7)

Sounds nightmarish in a Kafkaesque kind of way, and is very sad.

Guys, IUCRR have been doing a very good job at collecting data at the rescue and recoveries they were involved in. They're well trained, very experienced, and have a sound protocol in place.

Just have a look at their website, this is likely one of those few times when some usable data actually is collected and becomes available.

Hats off to the recovery team, and condolences to the family and friends of the victim.

News - - Gainesville.com

phreaticus53 · 12th March 2008, 21:08

There is no speculation stated here...just the facts as reported by one of the two primary recovery divers, via phone conversation this morning. I leave it to you to speculate ( as we all are doing, or will do), but the facts as found by the divers are there.
Why would they make things up, they are both extremely experienced divers, and I know one has done numerous recoveries over at least 35 years? They know the drill, they know how to observe and gather facts...and the IUCRR will use thier observations and report to a large extent to try (I repeat...TRY!) to determine what happened. Mostly it will still remain conjecture (see the Eagle's Nest double drowining accident in 2004...no one really knows, to this day, what happened there). Mostly, in the case of experienced, divers (baring obvious physical catastrophe), we rarely get the real answer.
BTW....I've been there and done that at least six times (including EN) so I am not speaking out of wanting to be a hero...just stating the facts as reported by those who were there.

aainslie · 12th March 2008, 22:26

Mark was a good guy. I'm deeply saddened to hear this.

I spoke to the person who found him. I agree totally with the posting re leaking information, and so would that individual. Please let's wait until the parties close to this have had time to analyze the evidence carefully before we start jumping to conclusions. In particular, I for one will be pretty pissed if anyone starts talking about diver error with no evidence to back that up. Mark was a very bright guy, and in my conversations with him I always found him to be a very serious, analytic diver. And even if it was error, guesing at what type of error is uncalled for at this stage.

Even if NO report ever comes out, pointless speculation is no more constructive than silence. While I'm new to rebreathers, I'm not new to tech diving, and every post-death internet "analysis" in threads on userboards I've seen has been risible - and usually disrespectful to the deceased, and to the family of that person. Conjecture is pointless.

Please let's pay his family and friends the respect of waiting until the full evidence is in and has been explored.

Benthic · 13th March 2008, 01:09

Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us)

Sad news and thanks to the recovery team.

I am curious if really a report will come out....

I'm with Micha on this one too. I know that the IUCRR has promised a report on this incident--but I'm not holding my breath. I sincerely hope that they have something educational to tell us when this is over. However, historically they haven't been real forthcoming with information. I'm sure Ken and company are stand up guys, but once they turn their findings over to Law Enforcement, I don't know how much control they can continue to exert over where that information goes.

Has anyone seen any sort of 'official' report on Jeff Thompson, Ron Simmons, or Elizabeth Halbach? I rest my case.

Brian

Flup · 13th March 2008, 11:46

Sad, very sad news. Condolances to those who stay behind.

Tino de Rijk · 14th March 2008, 08:56

Quote: (Originally Posted by Shawn)

Does anyone know anything about this post, Who was the diver?

If I'm informed well, his name is Mark Fyvie.
Mark was an IANTD instructor who lived in Switzerland.
Mark will be dearly missed. Our thoughts are with his family.

This info was provided to the regional IANTD instructors by our regional IANTD representative (Benelux - Belgium).

ciao,

Tino.

Mike448 · 15th March 2008, 20:55

My condolences to his family and friends - a tragic loss.

tibby · 16th March 2008, 19:28

Condolences to his family and friends. It's a tragic accident and a sobering reminder of what the outcome is if something goes wrong.
Cudos for the recovery teams on a job well done.
Tibby

12th March 2008, 18:14	#21 (permalink)
Canadian Tekdive New Member Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: ontario Canada Posts: 11	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Quote: (Originally Posted by 6Gill) Out of the respect for the victim and his family I think it is grossly inappropriate to leak bits and pieces of info from the recovery team. Wait for the full IUCC report to be released to the cave community with the verifiable facts. Well put..... anything other then the report should be seen as speculation...and left alone. Sad day for everyone and my thoughts go out to everyone. Family, Friends, and the hard job that Lamar and the recovery team does.
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12th March 2008, 19:46	#22 (permalink)
*caveseeker7* Who loves ya, baby Current Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Prism Topaz Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Too far from Neverland Posts: 5,325	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Sounds nightmarish in a Kafkaesque kind of way, and is very sad. Guys, IUCRR have been doing a very good job at collecting data at the rescue and recoveries they were involved in. They're well trained, very experienced, and have a sound protocol in place. Just have a look at their website, this is likely one of those few times when some usable data actually is collected and becomes available. Hats off to the recovery team, and condolences to the family and friends of the victim. __________________ Cheers Stefan "It is still a good day if you are on the green side of the grass! Su amigo Roberto!" Sponsor Lou in Race For Life!
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12th March 2008, 20:58	#23 (permalink)
*jradomski* Moderator Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Sport Kiss Optima rEvo Other CCR Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Evolution Megalodon Classic Kiss rEvo Other CCR Home Build Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: "Da" Bronx Posts: 2,817	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Quote: (Originally Posted by caveseeker7) Sounds nightmarish in a Kafkaesque kind of way, and is very sad. Guys, IUCRR have been doing a very good job at collecting data at the rescue and recoveries they were involved in. They're well trained, very experienced, and have a sound protocol in place. Just have a look at their website, this is likely one of those few times when some usable data actually is collected and becomes available. Hats off to the recovery team, and condolences to the family and friends of the victim. News - - Gainesville.com __________________ Joe Radomski CCR Trimix Instructor Trainer ANDI Instructor Trainer Director #10 All posts are personal opinions and DO NOT reflect any affiliated agency unless specifically stated.
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12th March 2008, 21:08	#24 (permalink)
phreaticus53 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Optima Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 43	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... There is no speculation stated here...just the facts as reported by one of the two primary recovery divers, via phone conversation this morning. I leave it to you to speculate ( as we all are doing, or will do), but the facts as found by the divers are there. Why would they make things up, they are both extremely experienced divers, and I know one has done numerous recoveries over at least 35 years? They know the drill, they know how to observe and gather facts...and the IUCRR will use thier observations and report to a large extent to try (I repeat...TRY!) to determine what happened. Mostly it will still remain conjecture (see the Eagle's Nest double drowining accident in 2004...no one really knows, to this day, what happened there). Mostly, in the case of experienced, divers (baring obvious physical catastrophe), we rarely get the real answer. BTW....I've been there and done that at least six times (including EN) so I am not speaking out of wanting to be a hero...just stating the facts as reported by those who were there.
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12th March 2008, 22:26	#25 (permalink)
aainslie New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: LA Posts: 88	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Mark was a good guy. I'm deeply saddened to hear this. I spoke to the person who found him. I agree totally with the posting re leaking information, and so would that individual. Please let's wait until the parties close to this have had time to analyze the evidence carefully before we start jumping to conclusions. In particular, I for one will be pretty pissed if anyone starts talking about diver error with no evidence to back that up. Mark was a very bright guy, and in my conversations with him I always found him to be a very serious, analytic diver. And even if it was error, guesing at what type of error is uncalled for at this stage. Even if NO report ever comes out, pointless speculation is no more constructive than silence. While I'm new to rebreathers, I'm not new to tech diving, and every post-death internet "analysis" in threads on userboards I've seen has been risible - and usually disrespectful to the deceased, and to the family of that person. Conjecture is pointless. Please let's pay his family and friends the respect of waiting until the full evidence is in and has been explored. __________________ Andrew Ainslie
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13th March 2008, 01:09	#26 (permalink)
Benthic MEGalomaniac Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pensacola, FL USA Posts: 219	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Quote: (Originally Posted by db8us) Sad news and thanks to the recovery team. I am curious if really a report will come out.... I'm with Micha on this one too. I know that the IUCRR has promised a report on this incident--but I'm not holding my breath. I sincerely hope that they have something educational to tell us when this is over. However, historically they haven't been real forthcoming with information. I'm sure Ken and company are stand up guys, but once they turn their findings over to Law Enforcement, I don't know how much control they can continue to exert over where that information goes. Has anyone seen any sort of 'official' report on Jeff Thompson, Ron Simmons, or Elizabeth Halbach? I rest my case. Brian __________________ Well lit rooms will not repel determined beer ninjas.
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13th March 2008, 11:46	#27 (permalink)
Flup Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Dolphin Home Build Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Ouroboros Dolphin Home Build Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Netherlands Posts: 132	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Sad, very sad news. Condolances to those who stay behind. __________________ They say i'm all mixed up, maybe that's why i like mixed gas diving !!!!
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14th March 2008, 08:56	#28 (permalink)
Tino de Rijk Old, maybe one day wise Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Evolution Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 310	Re: Rebreather death in Ginnie yesterday Quote: (Originally Posted by Shawn) Does anyone know anything about this post, Who was the diver? If I'm informed well, his name is Mark Fyvie. Mark was an IANTD instructor who lived in Switzerland. Mark will be dearly missed. Our thoughts are with his family. This info was provided to the regional IANTD instructors by our regional IANTD representative (Benelux - Belgium). ciao, Tino.
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15th March 2008, 20:55	#29 (permalink)
Mike448 New Member Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Knysna (South Africa) & Florida Posts: 34	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... My condolences to his family and friends - a tragic loss. __________________ Cheers Mike mike448 @ mac.com www.shadowdivers.net
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16th March 2008, 19:28	#30 (permalink)
tibby untitled Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, UT Posts: 336	Re: Fatality in Devil's Eye Spring... Condolences to his family and friends. It's a tragic accident and a sobering reminder of what the outcome is if something goes wrong. Cudos for the recovery teams on a job well done. Tibby __________________ Does the voice of reason change when you add helium to the mix?...hmm
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