inquest (news report) on Port Erin death

MarkZ

Martin kept his opinions to a minimum. What he did state were a number of facts likely to the embarassement of a self proclaimed and highly opinionated "expert" who posts here on a regualar basis.

jkaterenchuk

Isn't 90% of what you read on here someones opinion? Won't the coroners report be his/her opinion? Having many different opinions from different sources might prove to give a balanced opinion for each of us to learn from.

I thought it was worth asking as I know nothing about Martin Parker and assume that he has more constraints on his time then to go around and post his correspondence on every forum. Maybe you know more about this issue and the correspondence then I do but I was taught that if you never ask you have no one to blame but yourself for being left in the dark.

But maybe none of this matters as its only my opinion.

John

PhilSiswick

Ah, but there are opinions and opinions. There are legally binding opinions (the coroner's), opinions with (potential) legal implications (Martin's) and ours.

Martin has posted his opinions on here before - I'm sure he'll be along when the time is right. I'd like to read what he posted on the Inspo list alongside the Coroner's opinion before I get involved in any discussions. Not that my opinion is worth anything on this either

Cheers,

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Ben Field

"he did state were a number of facts"

I he "stated" them then they are opinions not facts and all experts are highly opinionated by definition...

It becomes debatable when the Coroner states his opinionated facts.

Before this even started someone died- no one can win or loose, its a bunch of stuff that has to be sat through, the learning from which is probably going to be of little or no comfort to the lost or left behind.

IMO anyone out to score points over this needs to take a look at themselves... be nice if we could all show alittle respect and patience, rebreathers aren't suddenly going to get safer overnight because of this.

Sorry- don't mean to jump on anyone, just think it would be nice if we could hold our fingers off the trigger till there are justifiable targets...

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Mark Chase

OH aparently i am not alowed to cut and past it on here.

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jkaterenchuk

Someone did (not me) about 5 messages ago and it lasted about 30 mins before being removed. It does clearly say it confidential and not for copy so ethically it right to remove it unless permission is given to post it.

John

MarkZ

Again what Martin stated was the testomony provided by witnesses and the individuals who examined the equipment. His opinions were minimal and noted as such.

I am certainly not looking to "score points", quite the contrary in fact. What I do take offense to is an individual who is selling himself as an expert witness publically who preys on the vulnerability of the loved ones left behind. I have nothing but sympathy for the wife and children of the victim. As for respect toward the so called expert I have none. Since his antics have been going on for the better part of a decade I would think the patience argument a bit less then valid. Nobody has to pull a trigger as it would appear that he is doing a pretty good job of shooting his own credibility.

Ben Field

Just FWIW- I didn't mean you

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solocavediver

If you mean Alex, I'd have to say on the whole I trust his opinions over MPs facts. If "opinionated" means he insists we have a serious problem with too many deaths on rebreathers, I'm opinionated too. I'm not of course an expert, or even an "expert" (we ought to have a smiley in the form of a big letter "E"), but I reckon I'm not a pure maths professor for nothing, and I recognise a scientific attitude when I see one. The way Alex analyses things is along the right lines.

- just stirring a little,

Charles.

PhilSiswick

Have you read MPs comments (as posted on the Inspo list)? If not, could I respectfully asky you to hold off until you have (when MP posts here). They will give you additional data points that may (or indeed may not) support what you say. I'm waiting to see the Coroner's report before I make my final judgement on who I trust more.

In this particular case, having seen both sides of the argument, I do feel that a very laudable wish to reduce incidents on a particular unit (which is in any case no longer in production) has been negatively affected by emotion and the wish to prove a point. Although I agree that the scientific approach used has revealed some interesting trends, I don't think that the methods used to get the point across have really advanced matters.

Cheers,

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No comment on open circuit... it's an evolutionary dead end not really worth discussing here. Dave Sutton, 2007

I have always felt that the dive I am on is not nearly important as the dives I plan to be on the rest of my life. Tom Rose, 2007

www.hugsac.org.uk