I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger.

Def · 27th January 2008, 12:31

This is how dumb I feel.

Had not dived my unit for 4 months, so I sat down and did a real good clean, re-lubed, new batteries, some fresh sorb and some spit and polish.

Checked in my mind, everything was there, nothing left on the table.

Dive 1/2 felt some head aches ( just put it down to lack of Rebreather diving etc, and hotdogs)... dive 3/4 was all good.

Got home, opened it to wash it out, and I left the large o-ring spacer out of my scrubber unit.

I always thought to my self, how can people forget it ... Mine was found under a book on my desk.

Thanks YBOD, for not pulling the trigger on me, and letting me learn from this mistake ..

I have unloaded the gun, kissed the unit good night and not told the GF about this, else it will be up for sale.

ME =

Sorry just hand to publicly humiliate myself ..

***Beanie*** · 27th January 2008, 12:35

Well done for letting us know and glad you got away with it.

Hope it reminds everyone to check that all the vital bits are there.

decoweenie · 27th January 2008, 12:43

Quote: (Originally Posted by Def)

...I left the large o-ring spacer out of my scrubber unit.

I highly doubt if you were the first one ever to have done that mistake.

The only time I had helped an unconscious diver from the water was when he did the same thing.

However, the effect is different on different people apparently...

In your case, you felt headaches on dives 1 and 2, yet nothing on dives 3 and 4.
For him, he passed out very quickly as soon as he started to swim in very moderate current
For me when I tried to find out what happened without opening the entire unit by breathing from his unit for 10 mins (on surface) , simulating hyperventilation/etc and not a symptom

I don't know your physical size, but he was fairly muscular (i.e. body builder type) and I am a lot less muscular than him. So I am thinking it has to do with the level of O2 metabolic rate and, subsequent, CO2 production - assuming level of exertion is constant.

Glad to hear that you are safe, and learnt a valuable lesson BTW.

PaulTG2 · 27th January 2008, 14:12

Hello,

Excellent and important post. Thank you. As a result of your post I will endeavor to take apart and clean my unit in an area free and clear of other stuff so that any forgotten parts are clearly visible.

Again, thank you!

--P

**jepuskar** · 27th January 2008, 14:32

Yes, thank you for the post. Will you consider using a checklist after this incident?

J

Mark Chase · 27th January 2008, 15:12

It was a bad design feature on the classic. Such an easy mistake to make and one that wont show up in pre dive tests.

Glad your OK and well done for the memory jog.

I don't think the Vision has loose 0 rings? The KISS definitely hasn't nor does the rEvo.

Are there any other units out there with a loose O ring of this importance?

ATB

Mark

***Decodiver*** · 27th January 2008, 15:54

Glad you survived.

Here's a tip, when you remove the o-ring and spacer loop the o-ring through the spacer and pull tight, then when you go to replace the spacer the answer is in front of your eyes.

There's no madness in method.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

***Beanie*** · 27th January 2008, 16:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Glad you survived.

Here's a tip, when you remove the o-ring and spacer loop the o-ring through the spacer and pull tight, then when you go to replace the spacer the answer is in front of your eyes.

There's no madness in method.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

One step further I clip the handsets together with the spacer and oring hangin on the clip can't miss them then.

Nepa · 27th January 2008, 16:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I don't think the Vision has loose 0 rings? The KISS definitely hasn't nor does the rEvo.

Vision has the same spacer/o-ring design as classic. Have forgotten it myself once. I put the Rebreather together and took a look at my closet to find the o-ring still there..

cramerdn · 27th January 2008, 21:04

Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver)

Glad you survived.

Here's a tip, when you remove the o-ring and spacer loop the o-ring through the spacer and pull tight, then when you go to replace the spacer the answer is in front of your eyes.

There's no madness in method.

Cheers,

Dave Cooper.

My instructor taught that there were only two places for the O ring and spacer. 1st was installed and if it was'nt in the assmebled scrubber then we hung it inside the case on the scrubber strap velcroed cloesd. That way there is no way to install the scrubber without the Oring and spacer since they interfere with the scrubber strap if you leave them out.

27th January 2008, 12:31	#1 (permalink)
Def New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 83	I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. This is how dumb I feel. Had not dived my unit for 4 months, so I sat down and did a real good clean, re-lubed, new batteries, some fresh sorb and some spit and polish. Checked in my mind, everything was there, nothing left on the table. Dive 1/2 felt some head aches ( just put it down to lack of Rebreather diving etc, and hotdogs)... dive 3/4 was all good. Got home, opened it to wash it out, and I left the large o-ring spacer out of my scrubber unit. I always thought to my self, how can people forget it ... Mine was found under a book on my desk. Thanks YBOD, for not pulling the trigger on me, and letting me learn from this mistake .. I have unloaded the gun, kissed the unit good night and not told the GF about this, else it will be up for sale. ME = Sorry just hand to publicly humiliate myself ..
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27th January 2008, 12:35	#2 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,247	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Well done for letting us know and glad you got away with it. Hope it reminds everyone to check that all the vital bits are there. __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk 0871 242 7808
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27th January 2008, 12:43	#3 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Def) ...I left the large o-ring spacer out of my scrubber unit. I highly doubt if you were the first one ever to have done that mistake. The only time I had helped an unconscious diver from the water was when he did the same thing. However, the effect is different on different people apparently... In your case, you felt headaches on dives 1 and 2, yet nothing on dives 3 and 4. For him, he passed out very quickly as soon as he started to swim in very moderate current For me when I tried to find out what happened without opening the entire unit by breathing from his unit for 10 mins (on surface) , simulating hyperventilation/etc and not a symptom I don't know your physical size, but he was fairly muscular (i.e. body builder type) and I am a lot less muscular than him. So I am thinking it has to do with the level of O2 metabolic rate and, subsequent, CO2 production - assuming level of exertion is constant. Glad to hear that you are safe, and learnt a valuable lesson BTW. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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27th January 2008, 14:12	#4 (permalink)
PaulTG2 Custom Title Allowed! Current Rebreather/s: Megalodon Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Sport Kiss Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 425	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Hello, Excellent and important post. Thank you. As a result of your post I will endeavor to take apart and clean my unit in an area free and clear of other stuff so that any forgotten parts are clearly visible. Again, thank you! --P
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27th January 2008, 14:32	#5 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 397	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Yes, thank you for the post. Will you consider using a checklist after this incident? J
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27th January 2008, 15:12	#6 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,690	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. It was a bad design feature on the classic. Such an easy mistake to make and one that wont show up in pre dive tests. Glad your OK and well done for the memory jog. I don't think the Vision has loose 0 rings? The KISS definitely hasn't nor does the rEvo. Are there any other units out there with a loose O ring of this importance? ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System
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27th January 2008, 15:54	#7 (permalink)
*Decodiver* Administrator Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Geneva Posts: 2,197	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Glad you survived. Here's a tip, when you remove the o-ring and spacer loop the o-ring through the spacer and pull tight, then when you go to replace the spacer the answer is in front of your eyes. There's no madness in method. Cheers, Dave Cooper. __________________ CCR/OC Trimix Instructor Trainer CCR Training to Mixed Gas in Switzerland, France, UK & Germany on Megalodon/COPIS-Megalodon/KISS/Sport KISS/Ouroboros/rEvo/Inspiration/Evolution/Sentinel www.zerogravitydiving.com Rebreather World Terms & Conditions
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27th January 2008, 16:12	#8 (permalink)
*Beanie* give a man an inch....... Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: In da house! yeah baby! Posts: 3,247	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Glad you survived. Here's a tip, when you remove the o-ring and spacer loop the o-ring through the spacer and pull tight, then when you go to replace the spacer the answer is in front of your eyes. There's no madness in method. Cheers, Dave Cooper. One step further I clip the handsets together with the spacer and oring hangin on the clip can't miss them then. __________________ Beanie Gallery Admin & Library Assistant. www.outlawdivers.org.uk www.beandiving.co.uk www.beanengineering.co.uk 0871 242 7808
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27th January 2008, 16:13	#9 (permalink)
Nepa New Member Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: espoo, finland Posts: 28	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) I don't think the Vision has loose 0 rings? The KISS definitely hasn't nor does the rEvo. Vision has the same spacer/o-ring design as classic. Have forgotten it myself once. I put the Rebreather together and took a look at my closet to find the o-ring still there..
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27th January 2008, 21:04	#10 (permalink)
cramerdn Obey my dog! Current Rebreather/s: Evolution Dolphin Other Rebreather/s: Dolphin Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Townsville QLD Posts: 612	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Decodiver) Glad you survived. Here's a tip, when you remove the o-ring and spacer loop the o-ring through the spacer and pull tight, then when you go to replace the spacer the answer is in front of your eyes. There's no madness in method. Cheers, Dave Cooper. My instructor taught that there were only two places for the O ring and spacer. 1st was installed and if it was'nt in the assmebled scrubber then we hung it inside the case on the scrubber strap velcroed cloesd. That way there is no way to install the scrubber without the Oring and spacer since they interfere with the scrubber strap if you leave them out. __________________ "Its better to live one day as a tiger than an entire life as a worm." "But who's ever heard of a worm skin rug?"
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