I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger.

Def · 27th January 2008, 22:23

Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn)

My instructor taught that there were only two places for the O ring and spacer. 1st was installed and if it was'nt in the assmebled scrubber then we hung it inside the case on the scrubber strap velcroed cloesd. That way there is no way to install the scrubber without the Oring and spacer since they interfere with the scrubber strap if you leave them out.

Thanks for all he messages, I was worried when I signed up it would have been ignored.... Hope it helps someone..!

I totally agree with Cramerdn, thats how I was taught, put the o-Ring/Spacer either in the Canister (ie installed) or hang it on the side on the exhale tube, so it will never be forgotten.

I was lucky .. btw its a Vision, and I am no muscle builder, and what I think saved me, was I was so relaxed in such a great dive site, I got down to 30m, and pretty much floated with the current for 60 minutes, hardly moving watching everything around me... when I was done, I just popped up, no real hard work on all the dives.!!

Thanks again!
Cameron

**Gill Envy** · 27th January 2008, 22:40

have some green for being so humble and sharing your experience! The more I dive the more I realize that mistakes like this are perhaps even more likely as you gain more experience.

I got all kitted up the other night, kind of in the dark, got down to the waters edge and during the buddy check it turned out I hadn't plugged in the O2/MFO to the head. Probably wouldn't have meant anything more than more regular manual injection, but I sure felt like an idiot and probably didn't make the best impression on the new folks I was diving with.

may we learn from our mistakes the "easy way".

JS1scuba · 28th January 2008, 03:18

good recovery -- wake up calls are just that --

I recall many years ago when Cliff was alive and running SDS here in the states that there was a check list that was placed on the inside cover of the units. Does that exist still ? If so maybe it was not a bad idea.

I'm encountered the loose ring last week when Danny Crowell showed me his unit. It seems like taking a Sharpie and noting it on the canister might be a good thing something like ..... "O-ring In Place ? "

Glad you are ok.

Cheers

**jepuskar** · 28th January 2008, 03:37

Do other units have a critical O-ring like this one...well, let me re-phrase...I guess every O-ring is important..

Hmm, how bout...an O-Ring that is left out causing CO2 to bypass? How are the designs of the other units as far as their scrubber mounting etc?

I think it would be nice if AP could design something different regarding this..not sure how that would work seeing the scrubber assembly needs to move freely.

J

Def · 28th January 2008, 04:13

Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar)

Do other units have a critical O-ring like this one...well, let me re-phrase...I guess every O-ring is important..

Hmm, how bout...an O-Ring that is left out causing CO2 to bypass? How are the designs of the other units as far as their scrubber mounting etc?

I think it would be nice if AP could design something different regarding this..not sure how that would work seeing the scrubber assembly needs to move freely.

J

I do not think they could make it any less idiot proof .. its a biiig o-ring and a bigger spacer ...

The issue was the idiot using it .. AP have made it as simple as possible .. we just need to stop ***ing up and dying.

**jepuskar** · 28th January 2008, 05:05

Quote: (Originally Posted by Def)

I do not think they could make it any less idiot proof .. its a biiig o-ring and a bigger spacer ...

The issue was the idiot using it .. AP have made it as simple as possible .. we just need to stop ***ing up and dying.

That is a little harsh, after all he did post the experience on here for others to read. He made a mistake, nobody is perfect. Atleast he is sharing it for others to learn from and possibly wake them up.

Def · 28th January 2008, 05:12

Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar)

That is a little harsh, after all he did post the experience on here for others to read. He made a mistake, nobody is perfect. Atleast he is sharing it for others to learn from and possibly wake them up.

Hahah thanks .. but it was me who posted this first up, and again me calling me the idiot

Thanks for backing me up, but it was a stupid and idiotic thing for ME to do .. So I still slap myself for being a idiot ..

But lesson learnt!

Mark Chase · 28th January 2008, 05:17

Quote: (Originally Posted by Def)

I do not think they could make it any less idiot proof .. its a biiig o-ring and a bigger spacer ...

The issue was the idiot using it .. AP have made it as simple as possible .. we just need to stop ***ing up and dying.

I disagree

It can be made idiot proof.

The O rings on the KISS are permanently in place so the only way to forget them is to forget to put the scrubber on.

I would have thought they'd do away with the loose o ring on the Vision. I thought it was an accident waiting to happen on the Classic.

I used to put the spacer and 0 ring in the empty scrubber housing. Then I had to take them out to put the scrubber in. At which point I immediately put them in their proper place.

It worked for me, and I am very forgetful.

ATB

Mark

decoweenie · 28th January 2008, 07:08

Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase)

I disagree

It can be made idiot proof.

I agree with Mark.

One possible way is to implement this o-ring onto the side of the sorb canister via a groove, but that would only work if APD could keep the tolerance on the parts tighter.

PeteS · 28th January 2008, 07:42

Quote: (Originally Posted by Def)

This is how dumb I feel.

Had not dived my unit for 4 months, so I sat down and did a real good clean, re-lubed, new batteries, some fresh sorb and some spit and polish.

Checked in my mind, everything was there, nothing left on the table.

Dive 1/2 felt some head aches ( just put it down to lack of Rebreather diving etc, and hotdogs)... dive 3/4 was all good.

Got home, opened it to wash it out, and I left the large o-ring spacer out of my scrubber unit.

I always thought to my self, how can people forget it ... Mine was found under a book on my desk.

Thanks YBOD, for not pulling the trigger on me, and letting me learn from this mistake ..

I have unloaded the gun, kissed the unit good night and not told the GF about this, else it will be up for sale.

ME =

Sorry just hand to publicly humiliate myself ..

Well survived mate. A lesson learned.

I've done it, but found the bits in the bottom of the box just when I thought I'd finished assembly.

That's why I put into my checks "Look in the box to see if there is anything left over". It sounds dumb, but it works!

27th January 2008, 22:23	#11 (permalink)
Def New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 83	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by cramerdn) My instructor taught that there were only two places for the O ring and spacer. 1st was installed and if it was'nt in the assmebled scrubber then we hung it inside the case on the scrubber strap velcroed cloesd. That way there is no way to install the scrubber without the Oring and spacer since they interfere with the scrubber strap if you leave them out. Thanks for all he messages, I was worried when I signed up it would have been ignored.... Hope it helps someone..! I totally agree with Cramerdn, thats how I was taught, put the o-Ring/Spacer either in the Canister (ie installed) or hang it on the side on the exhale tube, so it will never be forgotten. I was lucky .. btw its a Vision, and I am no muscle builder, and what I think saved me, was I was so relaxed in such a great dive site, I got down to 30m, and pretty much floated with the current for 60 minutes, hardly moving watching everything around me... when I was done, I just popped up, no real hard work on all the dives.!! Thanks again! Cameron
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27th January 2008, 22:40	#12 (permalink)
Gill Envy Shearwater Copis Diver Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Evolution Other CCR Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: seattle Posts: 1,302	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. have some green for being so humble and sharing your experience! The more I dive the more I realize that mistakes like this are perhaps even more likely as you gain more experience. I got all kitted up the other night, kind of in the dark, got down to the waters edge and during the buddy check it turned out I hadn't plugged in the O2/MFO to the head. Probably wouldn't have meant anything more than more regular manual injection, but I sure felt like an idiot and probably didn't make the best impression on the new folks I was diving with. may we learn from our mistakes the "easy way". __________________ Gill Envy ...Because I wasn't born with gills! ><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>><(°>
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28th January 2008, 03:18	#13 (permalink)
JS1scuba RebreatherWorld Sponsor Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss MK 15.X Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Lake Havasu City, AZ - USA Posts: 425	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. good recovery -- wake up calls are just that -- I recall many years ago when Cliff was alive and running SDS here in the states that there was a check list that was placed on the inside cover of the units. Does that exist still ? If so maybe it was not a bad idea. I'm encountered the loose ring last week when Danny Crowell showed me his unit. It seems like taking a Sharpie and noting it on the canister might be a good thing something like ..... "O-ring In Place ? " Glad you are ok. Cheers __________________ Joel Silverstein, VP COO Tech Diving Limited a Division of Scuba Training and Technology Inc. http://www.nautilusdiveplanner.com FREE NAUTILUS DIVE PLANNER DEMO - REGISTER HERE KISS # 275
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28th January 2008, 03:37	#14 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 396	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Do other units have a critical O-ring like this one...well, let me re-phrase...I guess every O-ring is important.. Hmm, how bout...an O-Ring that is left out causing CO2 to bypass? How are the designs of the other units as far as their scrubber mounting etc? I think it would be nice if AP could design something different regarding this..not sure how that would work seeing the scrubber assembly needs to move freely. J
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28th January 2008, 04:13	#15 (permalink)
Def New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 83	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar) Do other units have a critical O-ring like this one...well, let me re-phrase...I guess every O-ring is important.. Hmm, how bout...an O-Ring that is left out causing CO2 to bypass? How are the designs of the other units as far as their scrubber mounting etc? I think it would be nice if AP could design something different regarding this..not sure how that would work seeing the scrubber assembly needs to move freely. J I do not think they could make it any less idiot proof .. its a biiig o-ring and a bigger spacer ... The issue was the idiot using it .. AP have made it as simple as possible .. we just need to stop ***ing up and dying.
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28th January 2008, 05:05	#16 (permalink)
jepuskar NA Current Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Other Rebreather/s: Not Bought Yet Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 396	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Def) I do not think they could make it any less idiot proof .. its a biiig o-ring and a bigger spacer ... The issue was the idiot using it .. AP have made it as simple as possible .. we just need to stop ***ing up and dying. That is a little harsh, after all he did post the experience on here for others to read. He made a mistake, nobody is perfect. Atleast he is sharing it for others to learn from and possibly wake them up.
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28th January 2008, 05:12	#17 (permalink)
Def New Member Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Sydney Posts: 83	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by jepuskar) That is a little harsh, after all he did post the experience on here for others to read. He made a mistake, nobody is perfect. Atleast he is sharing it for others to learn from and possibly wake them up. Hahah thanks .. but it was me who posted this first up, and again me calling me the idiot Thanks for backing me up, but it was a stupid and idiotic thing for ME to do .. So I still slap myself for being a idiot .. But lesson learnt!
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28th January 2008, 05:17	#18 (permalink)
Mark Chase I go down for ages Current Rebreather/s: Classic Kiss Other Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kent Posts: 2,561	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Def) I do not think they could make it any less idiot proof .. its a biiig o-ring and a bigger spacer ... The issue was the idiot using it .. AP have made it as simple as possible .. we just need to stop *ing up and dying. I disagree It can be made idiot proof. The O rings on the KISS are permanently in place so the only way to forget them is to forget to put the scrubber on. I would have thought they'd do away with the loose o ring on the Vision. I thought it was an accident waiting to happen on the Classic. I used to put the spacer and 0 ring in the empty scrubber housing. Then I had to take them out to put the scrubber in. At which point I immediately put them in their proper place. It worked for me, and I am very forgetful. ATB Mark __________________ Is it supposed to make that noise ? I took my unit to the dive shop and demanded they bolt on every thing that would fit. Join my elite diving teem and get a Tshirt "Doing It Chasey"Hammerhead Eccr Advanced Diving System**
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28th January 2008, 07:08	#19 (permalink)
decoweenie Crash Test Dummy Current Rebreather/s: Other CCR Other Rebreather/s: Other CCR Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Cairo Posts: 5,510	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Mark Chase) I disagree It can be made idiot proof. I agree with Mark. One possible way is to implement this o-ring onto the side of the sorb canister via a groove, but that would only work if APD could keep the tolerance on the parts tighter. __________________ "...after a while you get bored offering advice to a bull that like to keep butting the fence with its head rather than walking through the open gate..." - Rebreather World PM
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28th January 2008, 07:42	#20 (permalink)
PeteS Consent Issued! Current Rebreather/s: Inspiration Classic Inspiration Vision Other Rebreather/s: Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: New Zealand Posts: 515	Re: I loaded the gun, aimed it at my head and asked my YBOD to pull the trigger. Quote: (Originally Posted by Def) This is how dumb I feel. Had not dived my unit for 4 months, so I sat down and did a real good clean, re-lubed, new batteries, some fresh sorb and some spit and polish. Checked in my mind, everything was there, nothing left on the table. Dive 1/2 felt some head aches ( just put it down to lack of Rebreather diving etc, and hotdogs)... dive 3/4 was all good. Got home, opened it to wash it out, and I left the large o-ring spacer out of my scrubber unit. I always thought to my self, how can people forget it ... Mine was found under a book on my desk. Thanks YBOD, for not pulling the trigger on me, and letting me learn from this mistake .. I have unloaded the gun, kissed the unit good night and not told the GF about this, else it will be up for sale. ME = Sorry just hand to publicly humiliate myself .. Well survived mate. A lesson learned. I've done it, but found the bits in the bottom of the box just when I thought I'd finished assembly. That's why I put into my checks "Look in the box to see if there is anything left over". It sounds dumb, but it works! __________________ Pete S. http://www.steggle.co.nz Every silver lining has a cloud
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